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The E39 M5 was beaten in most car magazine tests, by the Audi RS6 and E55 by MB. But the new E60 M5 won't be king of the hill either. Why, because Audi's new generation A6 is getting a 5.5L V10 engine from the Lamborghini Gallardo!

So, both the E60 M5 and the new upcoming Audi A6 will have V10 motors. If you ask me, I'd take a Lamborghini V10 any day over a BMW one.
What do you guys think about this?
Thanks.
Robert

Bart Carter

I would take the new M5 over the Audi in a second.

First, auto versus stick - Advantage BMW
Second, overall handling - Advantage BMW
Third, the current M5 has more than enough power. With another 100, close to too much. The car is a perfect driver. - Advantage BMW
Fourth, the Audi should be much heavier. - Advantage BMW
Fifth, I would take a BMW engine over a Lamborghini engine any day of the week. How many GP wins does a V10 Lamborghini have? How is Lamborghini reliability? - Advantage BMW

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M Cinco

I think theres no need to speculate..... wait and see the car either one first... im sure that bmw has the same intelligence that you have at the least and have taken into consideration that they need to compete and excel..... the revoulutionary difference between the new m5 and the e55 for example will be the integration of the active steering with the massive hp in store for the M... Mercedes has massive hp but the car wont handle great as oppose to BMW they knew the e39 was beginning to push the limits of hp/ handling so they reinvent steering to cope with the new situation at hand thats where audi will have to match or beat them to compete... lots of hp without handling is recipe for disaster and the awd is quite heavy which makes the car really front heavy which induces understeer in slalom style turning, they do have a cool transmission in store though (audi)..... so like i said no need to speculate... lets see the Cars in finish form then we shall see... just four cents.

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Black M5

WOW WOW WOW.. I need to step in here... Im half lamborghin and half BMW but here im going to step by the lamborghini... First, you cant measure an engine supplier based purely on GP wins as there are far more aspects that go into a winning team than just engine. Honda have been domonating not just GPs but championships back in the 80's and 90's with mclaren. Does that mean honda is/was the best car? Of course not

You question lamborghini's relaibility and my answer is that a British magazine (i forgot its name) recently took the gallardo on a 1000 mile drive and came back to say it wouldn't break!!!

Fast 5,
want more competition ? go to e60 M5 and you'll see a new thread just on that.

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schnelleM5

Robert, Robert, Robert

I feel compelled to defend the honor of our beloved e39 M5. I have most of the car mag comparos featuring the M5 and I can definitely tell you that, with a few glaringly BIASED exceptions, the M5 won all of the comparison tests. In fact, I cannot recall any other car in recent history which has so overwhelmingly dominated an entire genre as the e39 M5.

You seem to be unduly influenced by the recent R$T article of which you quoted in another thread, but you have got to keep in mind that they are comparing a discontinued model against the current offerings from MB and Audi, and I have had very little respect for the objectivity of that magazine since the '80s. The British mags which did similar late cycle comparisons all came to very different conclusions. If you would like, I would be more than happy to provide you with copies of ALL of those articles.

In the end, Robert, it does not really matter what any article concludes about the e39M5, it only matters what YOU feel when you are in the cockpit.

I think you know how I feel about the M5

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AJ

the scary part is that you guys are missing the essence of this news blob.. if the a6 has a 5.5l v10, then the rs6 will have a what- a tt v10? you are talking easy 700hp and 700tq here..

and i dont think audi needs a galardo engine. audi has been dominating certain classes on the race track and some of the have v10 in them the galardo resemblance could be more of a marketing trick than anything else

just my 2 cents

alex

Mike0804

Robert,
My dear friend is there some logic or reasoning behind this choice? You seem rather adimant about it.

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Michael

Mike0804

Yes, and based on Robert's comments, it seems to be working.

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Michael

Ditto

[quote=Black M5]You question lamborghini's relaibility and my answer is that a British magazine (i forgot its name) recently took the gallardo on a 1000 mile drive and came back to say it wouldn't break!!![quote]

I hope that any car in 2004 is able to stand a 1000 mile without breaking down, no matter how hard they are "abused" . Personally I would take BMW's gearbox and driving pleasure over the Audi A6 any day.

greg

Isn't it wonderful that we have so many outstanding choices?

1) The Audi will be better for some, the BMW for others. The Mercedes is also an outstanding automobile - hands down. The Cadillac CTS-V - a sedan with same-league performance - at a significantly lower price point. From General Motors no less! Exactly the same as the Z06 vs Porsche Turbo. They are close in performance. The Porsche has many advantages to be sure, but value-for-$$ is not one of them. My point is - its great to have such choices. The cars address similar markets, but they're each unique. I choose to learn what I can about those differences to choose what I want for ME. But I completely respect and support someone with the same philosophy who chooses one of the others. I'd much rather have an interesting discussion about the merits of each car than to try to say "mine is better!!!".

2) I've driven an RS6. Very, very impressive. It corrected a couple of gripes I had about the A6 4.2 - in particular the auto tranny is much better. Steering feel is better too, though it isn't close to the M5. It also has AWD - something that matters more to some than others. But the M5 still feels better in my hands - that is, its ability to communicate what's going on. And I suspect the next one will too.

Why worry?

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