Twin Turbo V10 in next M5!!?? [Speculation about upcoming E60 M5] - The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com)

slief · 2nd April 2003, 03:37

Today I called the main manager at my local dealer to put my name on the waiting list for the E60 M5 We had a discussion about the up and coming E60 M5. He is a nice guy and I have known him for many years and trust him and what he says. His understanding is that a Twin Turbo V10 WILL power it! I asked if he had heard this from reliable sources and when he indicated that he had, I was left to assume that it was indicated by BMW. He also indicated that I would be waiting 18-24 months for it as that is when

This led me to wonder. The M6 that is being talked about is rumored to have 600 HP. If this is the case, what kind of power plant is it going to have? I understand that it is a V10, but are turbos involved?

With 600HP an M5 could be a potential Viper eater. I could not imagine 50% more power in a sedan. That's un-comprehendible!

If there is any truth to this, we are going to be in for a real treat!

Scott

JCM5 · 2nd April 2003, 04:41

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Originally posted by slief
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With 600HP an M5 could be a potential Viper eater. I could not imagine 50% more power in a sedan. That's un-comprehendible!

If there is any truth to this, we are going to be in for a real treat!

Scott

yep, then we could post stuff like this
http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/sho...threadid=34173
A stock '03 S600 with only Renntech chip upgrade with close match with Viper, C5 turbo..etc

this guy post so many video on various site I can't find the video with the Viper
here's some other videos

http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/sho...threadid=34872

Rayza · 2nd April 2003, 06:45

It is very highly unlikely that BMW would turbocharge any current and future generation petrol engines.

Gerhard Richter, the man responsible for engineering M cars and Claus Borgmann, the person responsible for all BMW engines are not favourable to turbocharging petrol engines. They cite reasons such as poor fuel economy and the turbo-lag effect.

You can examine Gerhard Richters opinon on turbocharged engines on the Automotive Innovation Discussion Section on the BMW Group website:

www.bmwgroup.com

Prometheus NY · 8th April 2003, 06:38

BMW needs to do two things to remain pure:

One, to keep their engines normally aspirated.

Two, to utilize a 6 speed conventional manual transmission (or at least offer it as an option).

I fear both of those things are going the way of the dodo.

dNA3D · 8th April 2003, 10:41

Or a 7-speed SMG.

MIB · 8th April 2003, 13:53

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Originally posted by dNA3D
Or a 7-speed SMG.

Mmmmm Seven Speed.

MEnthusiast · 8th April 2003, 15:02

if I were a betting man, Id bet on 3 things:

1- no turbos in this round of M cars

2- 6 speed stick shift available along with 6 speed SMGIII

3- less HP than the others but power to weight ratio better than them

AJ · 8th April 2003, 23:55

the n/a is a deadend street for bmw. you can fit only so many hp under a sane red line (say 7500 rpms) before your hp/tq curve starts to look like one belonging to an s2000 - hardly a plus in a sedan. lighter e60? i dont think so. crashwortiness, "solid feel" those cars command, insulation, etc.. the bar on those goes only higher with years- not lower. expect the new m5 to be the same weight as the e39.

merc on the other hand ... the sky is the limit. forged internals and boost will take them to 800hp if they have to. without much modification in other areas. handling? who cares on the highway. accelleration and stopping distance are the only 2 numbers people really look into statistically speaking.

bmw gave up the drag wars methink. their marketing credo will be agility, feel, joy to drive. why? because _they_ chose not to measure up any more. even if they manage to pull the e60 to make 550 hp that would be the last hurray for the n/a engine. because mb will just up the boost and the next gen amgs will be in the 700hp range- and no n/a engine this side of 8 liters will produce those hp in a civilizied fashion. and 8 liters in a sedan sold in europe is out of the question- ask the green folks.

mercs will dominate the straights and will be the fastest most capable autobahn cars on the road.

that is if bmw doesnt get their collective heads out of their asses and look into forced intake.

the bmw execs can preach as much as they want about the feel vs. the numbers, but in the world of penis extensions and straight 5-lane highways, the top speed and accellearation are the name of the game. the high-end sports sedan market is very unique- people buy the m and amg cars mostly for bragging rights. statistically speaking, pulling somebody on the highway is the extent those cars see action. so, the one with the best 0-150 and 150-0 will be the king of the hill.

just imo

alex
02 gts
few other cars

HIPAD · 9th April 2003, 00:35

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Originally posted by Rayza
It is very highly unlikely that BMW would turbocharge any current and future generation petrol engines.

Gerhard Richter, the man responsible for engineering M cars and Claus Borgmann, the person responsible for all BMW engines are not favourable to turbocharging petrol engines. They cite reasons such as poor fuel economy and the turbo-lag effect.

You can examine Gerhard Richters opinon on turbocharged engines on the Automotive Innovation Discussion Section on the BMW Group website:

www.bmwgroup.com

Adding to Rayza,

I posted this in another thread "E46 M3":

The power war...

According to research & development boss Burkard Goschel when interviewd by Autocar (12 March) on the M3 CSL" The power war is all about prestige. But BMW stands for driving dynamics, and we will seek to reduce the weight of our cars to improve dynamics, with better handling and cornering"

That's what makes BMW so different and special compared to other car companies.

There will be 400 M3 CSL destined to the UK, costing £60,000.

http://www.bmwm5.com/vbulletin/showt...threadid=28068

Mike0804 · 9th April 2003, 03:34

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Originally posted by MEnthusiast
if I were a betting man, Id bet on 3 things:

1- no turbos in this round of M cars

2- 6 speed stick shift available along with 6 speed SMGIII

3- less HP than the others but power to weight ratio better than them

I agree with Jerry