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Old 9th September 2002, 17:34   #1
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I'm new to M5 and I have some questions

Hi,

In last few days I have been reading about the M5 and it sounds like a great great car. I do have questions though.

1. We are thinking of maybe getting a M5 in Summer/Fall 2003. But, I was reading here of a redesigned 5 and M5 and there is a lot of debating on when it will be released.

Then I read in a post that the current M5 and/or 5's won't be made after Feb 2003 is that correct?

What I am trying to ask is if we get a M5 in Summer or Fall of next year which M5 would we get? Will it look like the one out now or will it be the new redesigned M5? Then what is this about one coming out in 05 or 06?

2. Is there going to be a M6? If so when will that be out and how much bigger would it be over the M5?

3. The M5 out next year that won't have the iDrive will it? Unless it is REALLY different or a special order or whatever that would be terrible.

4. Also will the M5 model out next year will that have the V10 or no?

5. How is the M5 (with snow tires) in the snow?

6. Is the M5 safe?

Thanks a lot!
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Old 9th September 2002, 18:05   #2
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Hi power

Welcome to the board..
To answer a couple of your questions.

1) I dont believe you will be able to purchase a brand new E39(the current model) M5 as it is generally belived that it will go out of production.

2)There will indeed be an M6..however if you are looking for an M5 I dont think the M6 will fill your criteria, as it will be a GT

3)Idrive is coming however I have heard it has being redesigned

4)V10 is a near certain...with 500bhp

5)I dont have any experience with the M5 and snow however many on the board are running snow tires at the moment..maybe a post on the general baord will give you more info?

6)Very safe


The problem with the new M5 in my opinion is the fact that it will be out in a long time..perhaps as late as a 2005 model car. What i would do next year if i was you is buy a nice low mileage 02 model m5 keep it have fun..put an order down for the new M5...
have fun..hard choices huh!

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Old 9th September 2002, 18:32   #3
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1) I dont believe you will be able to purchase a brand new E39(the current model) M5 as it is generally belived that it will go out of production.

3)Idrive is coming however I have heard it has being redesigned

The problem with the new M5 in my opinion is the fact that it will be out in a long time..perhaps as late as a 2005 model car. What i would do next year if i was you is buy a nice low mileage 02 model m5 keep it have fun..put an order down for the new M5...
have fun..hard choices huh!
I'm sorry I don't understand. I won't be able to order a new M5 (E whatever) next Summer or Fall?

Right now the E39 that is a 2002 model correct?
And 2003 or 2005 will the V10?

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Re: I'm new to M5 and I have some questions

1. We are thinking of maybe getting a M5 in Summer/Fall 2003. But, I was reading here of a redesigned 5 and M5 and there is a lot of debating on when it will be released.

we dont know exactly when the next 5 (code name E60) will be out and therefore we dont know exactly when the next M5 will be out. My own guestimate for the next M5 is late 2005/ early 2006. At that time you can expect the dealers to ask for ~$10-20k OVER msrp. and they will find those willing to pay. So if you really want one of these you might be into mid 2006.

Then I read in a post that the current M5 and/or 5's won't be made after Feb 2003 is that correct?
thats correct. of course BMW can change their minds whenever they want to.

What I am trying to ask is if we get a M5 in Summer or Fall of next year which M5 would we get? Will it look like the one out now or will it be the new redesigned M5? Then what is this about one coming out in 05 or 06?
youd be looking at used M5s (the current model code name is E39). The next generation car will likely look like a mixture of the current car and the new 7 series. I think I am in good company when I say I am concerned about the styling direction BMW is heading in. BMW says it hears the criticism of the 7 and will correct it in the E60.

2. Is there going to be a M6? If so when will that be out and how much bigger would it be over the M5?
I think you have to understand what BMW plans to do with its numbering system. Odd numbers (1,3,5,7) will be for sedans. Even numbers will be for coupes. So the 6 series will be a coupe. it will be based on the E60 5 series. It wont be bigger than the 5- although it might not be very much smaller. Think of a Mercedes Benz CL class car. I dont know exactly when a M6 will be out, but a good guess is in the same range as the M6. Btw- there will be cabrio versions of the 6 series and those will take around 18 months to show up after the 6 debuts.

3. The M5 out next year that won't have the iDrive will it? Unless it is REALLY different or a special order or whatever that would be terrible.
All higher end BMWs will have idrive. Its likely to be optional on base model cars but it will be standard on the upper level vehicles. Like Adam said, its rumored to be in for a big revision. Dont knock it yet, its too new. So your answer is, The E60 M5 will have idrive.

4. Also will the M5 model out next year will that have the V10 or no?
the E60 M5 is rumored to feature a 500+hp V10 engine. Ive been told this for some time and many have doubted it, but thats what Im told.

5. How is the M5 (with snow tires) in the snow?
with snow tires on all corners: its excellent. without snow tires, its a mess. the thing about snows and the M5, in dry conditions youll really notice the lack of performance of the snows, but at least you can go in the snow.

6. Is the M5 safe?
you know, most people think "BMW" and they dont think safety they just think performance. That was me several years ago. But since then Ive discovered that they make vehicles that are just as safe, if not safer, than the other guys. The M5 is based on the 5 series, and you get all the safety in that car so here is a link to an evaluation the insurance institute for highway safety did. bottom line: it doesnt get safer than the 5 series.

http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...html/96029.htm

one thing you didnt ask is pricing. Ive heard the E60 M5 will MSRP around 90k, thats quite a price jump from today's base of 70k.
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I'm sorry I don't understand. I won't be able to order a new M5 (E whatever) next Summer or Fall?

Right now the E39 that is a 2002 model correct?
And 2003 or 2005 will the V10?

Thanks!
you understand correct. as a matter of fact, you might not be able to order a new M5 right now- although Im sure you still can, but the point is time is getting close. End of production is Feb 03. Just had it confirmed again. IMHO, the E39 M5 is a modern classic. If the money isnt an issue, I dont think you can go wrong with this car. (thats why my signature says hold on to your E39s)
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Just to chime in..

The 5 series was designated the safety car of the millenium by one institue. I wish i could remember who it was but most people would think Volvo would be. Nope, 5series all the way..
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Wait wait wait. So after Feb 2003 you won't be able to get a new M5 until 2005/2006?!!!! That's crazy! Why would they do such a thing?!

That's terrible!

So right now it is a 2002 model and the next one will be a 2006 model? Yikes!

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you have to understand that the M cars are special built modified versions of the regular cars. BMW likes to get the regular model under way and then take the time to get the M car just right. MB doesnt really do this with AMG and it shows. they take the "easy" way out with engine power by supercharging and the cars just dont have that "they got it right" feelinig that the M cars by and large have.

so yes, if you want a new M5, act now or prepare to wait. if you order a M5 now, you will get a 2003 model- the 2003 model year is only going from October production through Feb production.

if you have problems finding a dealer who will assist you, Im sure there are members here willing to help you out.
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so yes, if you want a new M5, act now or prepare to wait. if you order a M5 now, you will get a 2003 model- the 2003 model year is only going from October production through Feb production.

if you have problems finding a dealer who will assist you, Im sure there are members here willing to help you out.
Why do they have to axe the M5 2003 so soon? Can't they just keep making them and then the 2004 model etc and then in 2006 release the newly redesigned model?

About a dealer that shouldn't be a problem.

What about the M3? Could I get a new one M3 coupe in Summer 2003? If so why can't they just keep the M5 too?

About the M3 is that just as safe as the M5?

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Why do they have to axe the M5 2003 so soon? Can't they just keep making them and then the 2004 model etc and then in 2006 release the newly redesigned model?

Well every genius has his/her own eccentricities. But again BMW admirers don't really mind of such eccentricities...
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