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Old 10th December 2012, 04:34   #1
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Why isnt there more guys with headers?

As the title suggests? why isn't there more guys with headers on the board. After doing a good search, seems like most people have exhaust and maybe a tune. But why spend 3-4K on a exhaust system rather then a nice set of headers?
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I think a lot of people do? haha
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I think the big reason is that until resently the cost of headers was very high and then you add in another $1000 for install. There is no question that the benefits of headers much greater!!
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I think a lot of people do? haha
Not sure, after a lot of searching not a lot of reviews and pictures I would have expected I guess.

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I think the big reason is that until resently the cost of headers was very high and then you add in another $1000 for install. There is no question that the benefits of headers much greater!!
this may be true.. Install looks to be a PITA.
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Old 10th December 2012, 05:18   #5
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I think a lot of people do? haha
Not to thread jack, but I'd love to hear your headers sometime. I live in Dallas too. I know for me personally, the reason I didn't go with different headers is because I didn't want to lose the indy-car sound--but I don't think all headers do that.

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Not to thread jack, but I'd love to hear your headers sometime. I live in Dallas too. I know for me personally, the reason I didn't go with different headers is because I didn't want to lose the indy-car sound--but I don't think all headers do that.

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If you get evolve tubular headers, it maintains the equal length 'primarys' header design.. The sound will remain V10 S85, that everyone loves.
Its when you go evosport style header, non equal length primarys, you begin to lose the V10 sound for a V8ish sound..
At this point in the S85 tuning game, The evolve tubular header and Supersprint headers are the best in the game. Evolve more so, as for the price and they are made by Supersprint so its a win win.

Another option would be the oem header with no cats, RPI and Evolve offers them.

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Not to thread jack, but I'd love to hear your headers sometime. I live in Dallas too. I know for me personally, the reason I didn't go with different headers is because I didn't want to lose the indy-car sound--but I don't think all headers do that.

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Sure! Sounds good. My car is at my work (dealer) getting some fluid leaks fixed, should be done either tomorrow or Tuesday. P.M. me and we can meet up this weekend or something. Can plan a get together with the other local M5 Board members.

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If you get evolve tubular headers, it maintains the equal length 'primarys' header design.. The sound will remain V10 S85, that everyone loves.
Its when you go evosport style header, non equal length primarys, you begin to lose the V10 sound for a V8ish sound..
At this point in the S85 tuning game, The evolve tubular header and Supersprint headers are the best in the game. Evolve more so, as for the price and they are made by Supersprint so its a win win.

Another option would be the oem header with no cats, RPI and Evolve offers them.
Even with Evolve's tubular headers the sounds changes from factory, just a tad bit. If you want to preserve the note as close as possible a de-cat of the factory stock pipes will give you just that. That's what I ended up doing just buying a set of stock headers already de-catted. I love how it turned out. Install was a pain in the rear, no doubt about that! Took my tech and I a good portion of the day but that was with a lot of distractions along the way. But SO worth it! Have some video clips of the sound and my exhaust shooting flames, just look at my thread history and you'll see the link.

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Sure! Sounds good. My car is at my work (dealer) getting some fluid leaks fixed, should be done either tomorrow or Tuesday. P.M. me and we can meet up this weekend or something. Can plan a get together with the other local M5 Board members.


Even with Evolve's tubular headers the sounds changes from factory, just a tad bit. If you want to preserve the note as close as possible a de-cat of the factory stock pipes will give you just that. That's what I ended up doing just buying a set of stock headers already de-catted. I love how it turned out. Install was a pain in the rear, no doubt about that! Took my tech and I a good portion of the day but that was with a lot of distractions along the way. But SO worth it! Have some video clips of the sound and my exhaust shooting flames, just look at my thread history and you'll see the link.
Yea the install might be the main reason more people don't have headers, interesting.

Technically the sound of the overall v10 exhaust note shouldn't change much with an equal length header being that the stock header is equal length, but the evolve headers primary's are a lot bigger in diameter compared to oem, even though they are equal length that might effect the sound a tad, but a de-cat in generally will change the sound (more sound, rasp, etc.)
But again, evolve or supersprint, or the rpi/evolve oem headers decatted are all great options that sustaining the v10 sound we all love. And with the exception of the supersprint headers, all are within price of a catback exhaust.
So im guessing the installation is turning people away or the fact that you need a tune with a catless header to suppress the CEL running catless might turn people away?
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Yea the install might be the main reason more people don't have headers, interesting.

Technically the sound of the overall v10 exhaust note shouldn't change much with an equal length header being that the stock header is equal length, but the evolve headers primary's are a lot bigger in diameter compared to oem, even though they are equal length that might effect the sound a tad, but a de-cat in generally will change the sound (more sound, rasp, etc.)
But again, evolve or supersprint, or the rpi/evolve oem headers decatted are all great options that sustaining the v10 sound we all love. And with the exception of the supersprint headers, all are within price of a catback exhaust.
So im guessing the installation is turning people away or the fact that you need a tune with a catless header to suppress the CEL running catless might turn people away?
I think pretty much the cost and amount of work that has to go into it is. Plus emissions testing in one's state, worrying about passing and if software tune works as it should to be able to pass your car, etc. But I think pretty much sums it up! At least I know those were my reasons before I got mine.
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Couldn't the reason, besides the obvious (cost), be the "risk" of not passing emissions testing or getting error codes from messing with the catalyzers and sensors?
I would love to extract an extra 30-50 whp from a de-cat, over-size, header setup. But I don't want to risk of not passing the emission testing. I could probably have bigger gains than most, since mine is supercharged (hence up to 50% bigger exhaust flow).
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