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Old 29th October 2012, 16:15   #41
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Just wanted to add a comment that most mechanics I spoke to recommended the 997 turbo porsche or G55. They say they are more reliable than my other options. Most advised to stay away from Audi R8 saying it could become a headache with expensive maintenance parts
I was leaning more towards the R8 and then G55. Now I feel the 997 turbo seems reliable and could be an option.

Damn i can't make up my mind on one!
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Old 29th October 2012, 16:20   #42
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I'd say this is a no-brainer; the Porsche. Can't speak for the other cars but I have had an Carlsson CK 55 RS (ie E55 AMG rebuilt by this tuner), and that was a crappy car. Just wonderful on straight roads, but come a turn and...well... (Airmatic). And it was broken all the time.
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I never had an issue with my R8 V10. I don't know the reliability of the V8, but they are in the last generation RS4's as well and are pretty reliable. Also, for $1000 (in the US) you can purchase Audi Care and standard maintenance is covered for 4 years if vehicle is under warranty. I would think a forced induction vehicle such as a Porsche Turbo would be less reliable and I don't believe you can purchase something similar to Audi Care for that price. I think the R8 looks way cooler and is more rare, but the P car is faster. Depends what you are looking for.
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Old 30th October 2012, 01:24   #44
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Never had a issue? How many miles on it? I've had a few Audi cars and each had quirks...

I just looks a the TT RS and found out the "good" trans doesn't come to the US... Classic...

I like my M5 way more than any Audi... Oh yeah can carry 4 and still woop the R8 on the way to dinner.
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AJMD, well i'm guessing that your r8 barely has any mileage since its the 10 cylinder one. Most r8 owners who say they never had issues have barely put on any mileage. So i cant depend on their statement regarding reliability.

I do agree that a turbo car should theoratically be less reliable, and thats one thing i like about the R8 naturally aspirated.
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Turbo vs normal...

50/50 normal high-performance are high compression all the time e.g. the M5 V10 12:1.... Turbo cars quite a bit less when not at revs... Agree the turbo adds heat but if you do 3K oil changes your fine... I'd argue a turbo might last longer than a NA car of equal power (aside from US brute displacement power) Really funny how BMW high tech V10 makes power equal to the US piston whoppers... agree the drive-ability of the M5 V10 S85 is way better than a chevy :^)
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Sorry to disappoint you Rich, but a V10 R8 would easily walk away from an E60 M5 at 0 to 60, at 1/4 mile, in a slalom, from highway speeds, and at top speed. I should know, I own both. Do I like the M5? Of course I do, it's a great car, but can't really be compared to an R8 - they are completely different cars. I think the M5 sound system and active seats are better than in the R8. For driving over 100 miles distance, probably better off in the M5. Carrying over 2 people, my choice of almost any car would be an E60 M5 or X5M (haven't driven a Panamera Turbo yet and I think the F10 M5 is too big). Everything else, the R8 is much better - even the Bluetooth in the R8 is ridiculous (the microphones are in the seat belt) - you can have a normal conversation on the phone with the top down doing triple digits and the person you're talking to will think you are at a stop light or just tooling around. But I would definitely pick the M5 to drive on a night out......if it's raining (my R8 stays at home when raining). Here's one of my fav YouTube vids of an R8 V10 Spyder and an M6. You can probably substitute an M5 for the M6 in the vid. BMW M6 vs Audi R8 5.2 Fsi V10 - YouTube
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Sorry to disappoint you Rich, but a V10 R8 would easily walk away from an E60 M5 at 0 to 60, at 1/4 mile, in a slalom, from highway speeds, and at top speed. I should know, I own both. Do I like the M5? Of course I do, it's a great car, but can't really be compared to an R8 - they are completely different cars. I think the M5 sound system and active seats are better than in the R8. For driving over 100 miles distance, probably better off in the M5. Carrying over 2 people, my choice of almost any car would be an E60 M5 or X5M (haven't driven a Panamera Turbo yet and I think the F10 M5 is too big). Everything else, the R8 is much better - even the Bluetooth in the R8 is ridiculous (the microphones are in the seat belt) - you can have a normal conversation on the phone with the top down doing triple digits and the person you're talking to will think you are at a stop light or just tooling around. But I would definitely pick the M5 to drive on a night out......if it's raining (my R8 stays at home when raining). Here's one of my fav YouTube vids of an R8 V10 Spyder and an M6. You can probably substitute an M5 for the M6 in the vid. BMW M6 vs Audi R8 5.2 Fsi V10 - YouTube
Never meant to imply the M5 was faster etc. cleary the R8 is way lighter than the M5 tank...

My point is there isn't a car out that that can carry 4 people that touches the M5. I have driven/owned many and I still struggle to fine a good alternative to the M5 while there are loads of R8 options.

On the R8 post after the car has 100K miles and we shall see. Even the M5 has some insanely complex technology that after warranty make the car hard to own. e.g. The Audi mics in the seatbelt ok until it fails in a non-warranty. Both the Audi and M5 pack the components in too tight/too complex and even the techs have fun doing things to the car with the engine in... In my view we have gone too far with street car technology and now we have cars that go into crawl mode for a sensor...

As for great drives I own and run a Formula Atlantic so EVERY street car is tame to me including the R8
FA= 1100lbs 250HP full aero and massive brakes... no street car touches these...
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Sorry to disappoint you Rich, but a V10 R8 would easily walk away from an E60 M5 at 0 to 60, at 1/4 mile, in a slalom, from highway speeds, and at top speed. I should know, I own both. Do I like the M5? Of course I do, it's a great car, but can't really be compared to an R8 - they are completely different cars. I think the M5 sound system and active seats are better than in the R8. For driving over 100 miles distance, probably better off in the M5. Carrying over 2 people, my choice of almost any car would be an E60 M5 or X5M (haven't driven a Panamera Turbo yet and I think the F10 M5 is too big). Everything else, the R8 is much better - even the Bluetooth in the R8 is ridiculous (the microphones are in the seat belt) - you can have a normal conversation on the phone with the top down doing triple digits and the person you're talking to will think you are at a stop light or just tooling around. But I would definitely pick the M5 to drive on a night out......if it's raining (my R8 stays at home when raining). Here's one of my fav YouTube vids of an R8 V10 Spyder and an M6. You can probably substitute an M5 for the M6 in the vid. BMW M6 vs Audi R8 5.2 Fsi V10 - YouTube
Audi says 0-60 2012 R8 4.4 3.7 Engines > Features and Specifications > 2012 Audi R8 > Audi of America
BMW says 0-60 2013 M5 3.7 - 2012 BMW M5: 0-60 in 3.7 sec

Seems the R8 doesn't walk away from a M5! (at least the F10 M5....) maybe my V10 don't know but I'll trade a few tenths for 2 more doors and seats! I think the R8 is a great 2 seater - do you have the carbon blades?
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Hi Rich.

I agree both R8 and M5 are complex. An oil change takes 4 to 6 hrs on an R8 - the underbody covering (diffuser) has to be removed to get to the 4 drain plugs. I drive both the R8 and M5 everyday when I'm home where the cars are - but probably won't have 100K miles on it until we have flying cars. I agree M5 is the best 4 door sedan. R8 is faster than an E60, but similar in a straight line to the F10 M5. My R8 is the Spyder, no carbon blades on the drop top and no oil pump issues
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