Ok guys, I know that there are a lot of threads about laser jammers. I recently purchased a V1 which will be hard wired in so I have been looking at stand alone laser shifters, Blinder, Laser Intercepter ,Escort Etc...... They are all good and they all claim to be the best. Has anyone used this model from Escort? It seems really good and for the price is pretty awesome. Let me know your thoughts and if youve actually had it give me an honest review. Thanks
Don't waste your money on the ZR4's. Those are the same jammers included in the 9500ci. You'll for sure get punch through if you have those, stick with Blinder or Laser Interceptor they are the best on the market right now. Look at the Blinder HP-905. Just released and the laser heads are half the size as the Laser Interceptors and they are now using laser diodes same technology as Laser Interceptor. Supposed to be a game changer! Take a look! They sell it in dual, triple, or quad setups.
The Laser Interceptors where the best out there but they where extremely expensive (over 2k for the top of the line model). However, they did make a kit designed specifically to fit in the BMW kidney grills. I am not aware of any tests of the Blinder HP-905 but it's technology is very promising and it is very similar in regard to the Laser Interceptor, especially for the price. I personally run a Blinder M47. For American use, you really don't need a Laser Interceptor. They are designed to jam European LIDAR guns with a pulsing frequency, hence the price. I would recommend Blinder HP-905. Anything else is a waste of your time and money and will just give you a false sense of security.
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LASER INTERCEPTOR hands down. I did a TON of research on this. Not only do they work EXTREMELY well, but Cliff has AMAZING customer service (even on weekends). When I told him that I had gotten pulled over he immediately reached out to a few people in the Atlanta area and helped me to connect with a guy in Atlanta to help me test my setup. (Di not get a ticket btw since the cop said he wasn't "Sure" if he got me or the other balck BMW in front of me. I thought that was very weird with a laser gun since he would have to directly aim at me and the laser is very precise. In any case, got a warning but it still made me question my setup._
Long story short....
Kustom ProLaser III
Laser Atlanta II
Stalker
Kustom ProLite
TruSpeed
ALL were complete Jam to Gun both with the car coming towards the gun with a constant bead on the car and also from the rear. We did our test on a VERY long strip of pavement with CLEAR sight of my car and no possible interference. A couple of the guns never even got a lock at all on the car. A couple got a lock and threw error codes. ONLY the Stalker actually DID get a read....at 20 feet :-) I am perfectly OK with a cop getting my speed at 20 ft. Pretty sure I'll be creeping along by then.
I can tell you that picking the Laser Jammers for my car was one VERY frustrating process. Everyone has some sort of opinion, everyone comments on each others' products and how they have weaknesses and no matter how many videos you see online of testing, the second you decide on your jammer you will see a post where someone points out that the tests were rigged or that they were done by a representative of a certain company....very exhausting.
What I can tell you for sure is that the guy who does ALL of the performance work on my car and who is a CRAZY 100+ MPH driver everywhere he goes, uses the Escort ZR4 shifters and he swears by them. He tells me that he has been saved many times. That is real world feedback. However, EVERYONE else I have ever spoken to (none who are actual users of the product btw...just people with their "opinions") seems to think that the ZR4's don't cut the mustard. Pretty much every test you see done on line, legitimate or not, do not show the ZR4 to be a very competitive shifter. btw.."shifter" is a Passport (Cincinnati Microwave) term. They made it up. Everyone else calls them "jammers".)
I can also tell you that MY OWN REAL WORLD experience with testing above makes me VERY VERY VERY comfortable with the LI. I would say that the expense of the LI is just another example of "you get what you pay for". I imagine it will save me many multiples of it's cost in the next few years alone (not to mention my driver's license). I got what I call "proof" myself so it is sort of a no-brainer.
***I forgot to mention that when we were shooting my car, we tested straight on shots to the bumper, headlights, mirrors, license plates, etc. If it was going to be picked up it WOULD have for sure. I don't think any cop will get the chance to be so precise with his gun like we were with mine. Again, pretty confident in LI.
Also, I DO NOT LIKE the "BMW Version" for the LI. The sensors are mounted vertically in your grill. They MUST be mounted flush just like the horizontal ones so if you have a BMW with a slanted front grill (like the e60) you will have some seriously ugly sensor sticking out of your grill. Not a little bit- a LOT. I am not sure that LI did enough research on this when they did the design. Cliff sent me pics of an M3 with the sensors mounted and it looked fine. The sensors stuck out just tiny bit but it was something that I think l would not bother you after the first 1-2 looks. However, the M3 grill was a much more "straight up" standing grill which allowed you to mount flush much more easily. If anyone thinks that I would allow a sensor to stick out of the grill of my beautiful beast by 3" they are WRONG! I believe they designed those BMW sensors because our grills only allow a low mounting of the sensors and Cliff is worried that alone will impede protection (as it would with ANY jammer mounted on our cars) if we came over hills, etc. and you did not have an immed clear line of sight (which fixes itself pretty quickly anyway as you come over a hill). I really think this is such a silly and tiny factor that even if it did have any effect it is very low risk and low chance. I know with 1000% certainty that mine work far better than expected. I would fell EXTREMELY confident in recommending these.
whew.....that may have been the longest response in history-hahahaha I just know what a nightmare it was for me to choose because of the lack of good information and the apparent abundance of bad and incomplete info and VERY outdated tests and reviews. I wish we filmed mine. It would have helped a lot of people to make a choice.
btw...I got the Bel STiR PLUS QUAD bundle. It came with 2 front and rear horizontal LI sensors and the Bel STiR PLUS remote detector (which is rated the best at the moment...yep...better even than the Passport 9500 ci even though they are built in the exact same place by the same company sine Escort owns Bel....it has more options to disable unused radar bans so you get quicker scanning of other bands....avg guy (uh..me) wouldn't notice the diff probably). The LI CANNOT be integrated to the Bel. Has to be two separate installs (Bel and Passport CAN be mated with ZR4 shifters...in fact, they are part of the Passport CI pkg). I don;t think you need the "Hi Power" edition which transmits signals vertically (supposed to give you better overhead protection form overpass shots) but if you want serious overkill and pretty much unbeatable protection then go for it!
I know you have cramps in your fingers after all that typing Seriously, we have to talk about jammers as I bought the LI verticals for the BMW a few months ago but never installed them. I wasn't aware that they have to stick out of the grille that far to transmit properly. Let's discuss if I see you on Sunday. Otherwise, I'll send you an email with my contact info... Wow, great research by the way!
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LASER INTERCEPTOR hands down. I did a TON of research on this. Not only do they work EXTREMELY well, but Cliff has AMAZING customer service (even on weekends). When I told him that I had gotten pulled over he immediately reached out to a few people in the Atlanta area and helped me to connect with a guy in Atlanta to help me test my setup. (Di not get a ticket btw since the cop said he wasn't "Sure" if he got me or the other balck BMW in front of me. I thought that was very weird with a laser gun since he would have to directly aim at me and the laser is very precise. In any case, got a warning but it still made me question my setup._
Long story short....
Kustom ProLaser III
Laser Atlanta II
Stalker
Kustom ProLite
TruSpeed
ALL were complete Jam to Gun both with the car coming towards the gun with a constant bead on the car and also from the rear. We did our test on a VERY long strip of pavement with CLEAR sight of my car and no possible interference. A couple of the guns never even got a lock at all on the car. A couple got a lock and threw error codes. ONLY the Stalker actually DID get a read....at 20 feet :-) I am perfectly OK with a cop getting my speed at 20 ft. Pretty sure I'll be creeping along by then.
I can tell you that picking the Laser Jammers for my car was one VERY frustrating process. Everyone has some sort of opinion, everyone comments on each others' products and how they have weaknesses and no matter how many videos you see online of testing, the second you decide on your jammer you will see a post where someone points out that the tests were rigged or that they were done by a representative of a certain company....very exhausting.
What I can tell you for sure is that the guy who does ALL of the performance work on my car and who is a CRAZY 100+ MPH driver everywhere he goes, uses the Escort ZR4 shifters and he swears by them. He tells me that he has been saved many times. That is real world feedback. However, EVERYONE else I have ever spoken to (none who are actual users of the product btw...just people with their "opinions") seems to think that the ZR4's don't cut the mustard. Pretty much every test you see done on line, legitimate or not, do not show the ZR4 to be a very competitive shifter. btw.."shifter" is a Passport (Cincinnati Microwave) term. They made it up. Everyone else calls them "jammers".)
I can also tell you that MY OWN REAL WORLD experience with testing above makes me VERY VERY VERY comfortable with the LI. I would say that the expense of the LI is just another example of "you get what you pay for". I imagine it will save me many multiples of it's cost in the next few years alone (not to mention my driver's license). I got what I call "proof" myself so it is sort of a no-brainer.
***I forgot to mention that when we were shooting my car, we tested straight on shots to the bumper, headlights, mirrors, license plates, etc. If it was going to be picked up it WOULD have for sure. I don't think any cop will get the chance to be so precise with his gun like we were with mine. Again, pretty confident in LI.
Also, I DO NOT LIKE the "BMW Version" for the LI. The sensors are mounted vertically in your grill. They MUST be mounted flush just like the horizontal ones so if you have a BMW with a slanted front grill (like the e60) you will have some seriously ugly sensor sticking out of your grill. Not a little bit- a LOT. I am not sure that LI did enough research on this when they did the design. Cliff sent me pics of an M3 with the sensors mounted and it looked fine. The sensors stuck out just tiny bit but it was something that I think l would not bother you after the first 1-2 looks. However, the M3 grill was a much more "straight up" standing grill which allowed you to mount flush much more easily. If anyone thinks that I would allow a sensor to stick out of the grill of my beautiful beast by 3" they are WRONG! I believe they designed those BMW sensors because our grills only allow a low mounting of the sensors and Cliff is worried that alone will impede protection (as it would with ANY jammer mounted on our cars) if we came over hills, etc. and you did not have an immed clear line of sight (which fixes itself pretty quickly anyway as you come over a hill). I really think this is such a silly and tiny factor that even if it did have any effect it is very low risk and low chance. I know with 1000% certainty that mine work far better than expected. I would fell EXTREMELY confident in recommending these.
whew.....that may have been the longest response in history-hahahaha I just know what a nightmare it was for me to choose because of the lack of good information and the apparent abundance of bad and incomplete info and VERY outdated tests and reviews. I wish we filmed mine. It would have helped a lot of people to make a choice.
btw...I got the Bel STiR PLUS QUAD bundle. It came with 2 front and rear horizontal LI sensors and the Bel STiR PLUS remote detector (which is rated the best at the moment...yep...better even than the Passport 9500 ci even though they are built in the exact same place by the same company sine Escort owns Bel....it has more options to disable unused radar bans so you get quicker scanning of other bands....avg guy (uh..me) wouldn't notice the diff probably). The LI CANNOT be integrated to the Bel. Has to be two separate installs (Bel and Passport CAN be mated with ZR4 shifters...in fact, they are part of the Passport CI pkg). I don;t think you need the "Hi Power" edition which transmits signals vertically (supposed to give you better overhead protection form overpass shots) but if you want serious overkill and pretty much unbeatable protection then go for it!
I was speaking with a local certified Escort dealer up here about 2 months ago, as I was thinking of installing a 9500ci (I currently have a 9500xi) and we got to the topic of laser jammers. The installer was adamant that LI makes the best jammers out there. The Escort jammers are apparently underpowered and may not provide complete coverage on the front of the vehicle - it really depends on shape of the front end. One look at my M5 and he pretty much said don't waste my time with the Escort jammers, there is too much area on the front for the jammers to effectively cover since our front grilles are a bit on the "boxy" side vs. say a Ferrari or Lambo.
He highly recommended the LI jammers only with either a Valentine V1, STiR or 9500ci base unit. Gave me some food for thought. Hope that helps, I put off the 9500ci purchase till next year because of his feedback.
I know you have cramps in your fingers after all that typing Seriously, we have to talk about jammers as I bought the LI verticals for the BMW a few months ago but never installed them. I wasn't aware that they have to stick out of the grille that far to transmit properly. Let's discuss if I see you on Sunday. Otherwise, I'll send you an email with my contact info... Wow, great research by the way!
lol! Yeah, I'm sweating from all that typing.
I actually bought the verticals as well and my installer refused to put them in because they looked so bad. I then got the normal ones. I have neglected to send my verticals back (it has been months :-( but I bet Cliff will still let me. He is a great guy. I will be getting the external speaker too. You will need that because it is hard to hear unless you mount it in a visible place or somewhere low under your dash and we really couldn't find a place to do that.
BTW...I have a great resource for installing your LI and other stereo equip/electronics.
Hope to see you on Sat. shoot me the info. Still not sure of our plans but would love to get up there. HOPEFULLY I will have those coilovers by then.
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Seriously, we have to talk about jammers as I bought the LI verticals for the BMW a few months ago but never installed them. I wasn't aware that they have to stick out of the grille that far to transmit properly. Let's discuss if I see you on Sunday. Otherwise, I'll send you an email with my contact info... Wow, great research by the way!
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