Lubro/Liqui Moly Better than Castrol

///power · Jan 8, 2011

$120 is definitely cheaper than $400!

gasterus · Jan 8, 2011

I've heard good things about liqui-moly, but i have yet ti tried their motor oil. I've been running redline 10w-60 motor oil in mine and has no issues.

Miguex · Jan 9, 2011

My M5 has Lubro Moly oil. Zero issues.

Hasan Shaikh · Jan 9, 2011

I would never use any 10W - 60 other than the TWS in my car.

Not all 10W - 60s are the same.

davidykhor · Jan 9, 2011

i am using the 10-60 liqui moly on my car, better oil temps then the castrol anytime.

sjsuM5 · Jan 10, 2011

I use Lubro/Liquid Moly, based on the review of oil specifications it is second to none.

Matty · Jan 11, 2011

Lubro/Liquid Moly ive heard is made in germany from what i hear and is just as good and a tab cheaper but sofar reviews are up and down but seems like its just as good any more feedback ?

ccieurzo · Jan 12, 2011

It sounds good, but it would be helpful if someone sent a sample to Blackstone for oil analysis after 7k miles or so to see how it holds up.

Jessem · Jan 12, 2011

using oils other than TWS

One reason to beware when choosing oils other than TWS is that the oil may contain phosphorus compounds. These compounds are used to enhance the anti-wear properties of lubricating oil. Phosphorus is also chemical poison for catalytic converters, reducing their effectiveness.

TWS has no phosphorus, so it's not likely to kill the cats, especially at the rate than many M5s consume oil. Not wanting to replace the cats down the road, I've stuck with TWS. A little savings now could cost me a lot in the future, especially since I plan to keep mine for quite a few more years.

gasterus · Jan 13, 2011

Jessem said:
One reason to beware when choosing oils other than TWS is that the oil may contain phosphorus compounds. These compounds are used to enhance the anti-wear properties of lubricating oil. Phosphorus is also chemical poison for catalytic converters, reducing their effectiveness.

TWS has no phosphorus, so it's not likely to kill the cats, especially at the rate than many M5s consume oil. Not wanting to replace the cats down the road, I've stuck with TWS. A little savings now could cost me a lot in the future, especially since I plan to keep mine for quite a few more years.

I'm running catless so that shouldn't be an issue

RLTW · Jan 13, 2011

What does TWS stand for?

Jessem · Jan 13, 2011

TWS

Ten - W- Sixty

Drm5 · Nov 5, 2011

Buenos dias

PRM5 donde conseguiste el aceite.. Yo estoy por el área del señorial y trabajo
En Humacao.. Me gustaría tratar ese aceite... Como te ha seguido funcionando
El carro?

antonio335 · Nov 5, 2011

hi

Drm5 said:
Buenos dias

PRM5 donde conseguiste el aceite.. Yo estoy por el área del señorial y trabajo
En Humacao.. Me gustaría tratar ese aceite... Como te ha seguido funcionando
El carro?

Saludos DRM5 compre el aceite Liqui/Lubro Moly $55 el JUG Race tech 10W60 por este post y
trabaja mejor en temperatura que el Castrol 10w-60 y incluso no se quema como el
Castrol , De ahora en adelante cero castrol.

Liqui/Lubro Moly Race tech 10W60 is best for me than Castrol 10w-60 because the evaporation
point is burn less than castrol.And the temp of my car run best with Liqui/Lubro Moly Race tech 10W60.

Vamos a reunirnos los M5 , Ah y el aceite compralo en Euro Mania en Guaynabo

AngelSlayer · Nov 5, 2011

Haven't had a problem with Castrol and it's $12/L from the dealer where I am so no cost difference either.

antonio335 · Nov 6, 2011

hola

Amigos de aca de Puerto Rico con M5 vamos a ver cuando podriamos reunirnos para
dialogar un poco de estos carritos!!

Drm5 · Nov 7, 2011

Gracias antonio y Miguex...Cuando se quieran reunir yo estoy disponible.
Miguex que hace en canada.. temperaturas no aptas para latinos...jajaja

Miguex · Nov 8, 2011

Drm5 said:
Miguex que hace en canada.. temperaturas no aptas para latinos...jajaja

jajaja trabajando bajo el frio polar....

antonio335 · Nov 9, 2011

Yo creo ke nos encontramos en guaynabo por la número 2 en la mañana PRM5 el mio es UNO gray silverstone

PRM5 Discussion starter · Nov 9, 2011

antonio335 said:
Yo creo ke nos encontramos en guaynabo por la número 2 en la mañana PRM5 el mio es UNO gray silverstone

Yes I remember you passed me on the left.

tommesch · Feb 26, 2012

My beast used 2/3 of a liter per tank with Castrol and now uses ZERO per tank with Liqui-moly. My mechanic said i'm splitting hairs in trying a "better" oil.

My vanos is significantly quieter, actually about half as loud, and I save about $25 per tank not having to add oil every time.

-tom

defyant · Apr 30, 2012

I was looking into what oils to put in the beast and decided on the LubroMoly 10W60 as well. The Castrol TWS is 3 times as expensive and from what I read has a lower flash point and has higher oil consumption. I read the M engine guidelienes here and it seems the Moly is within specifications. (much better than the Mobil 1 the mechanic shop put in my car, GRRRR)

Synthetic Engine Oils - BMW North America

Lastly, I change my oil every 6K miles at least so it quickly becomes expensive for me (I am not taking a chance with 10-15K intervals)

Also, I hate giving my business to a company that jacks up the price after securing an exclusive deal with another company (such as Castrol has done with the TWS). But thats just me!

Has anyone done a Lubro Vs Redline test? How about an oil analysis?

JohnAnthony · May 1, 2012

defyant said:
The Castrol TWS is 3 times as expensive and from what I read has a lower flash point and has higher oil consumption. I read the M engine guidelienes here and it seems the Moly is within specifications. (much better than the Mobil 1 the mechanic shop put in my car, GRRRR)

Lastly, I change my oil every 6K miles at least so it quickly becomes expensive for me (I am not taking a chance with 10-15K intervals)

Has anyone done a Lubro Vs Redline test? How about an oil analysis?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/202753-has-anyone-used-mobil-1-10w60.html#post2282155

Mobil 1 Extended Life 10w60

API SN/SM/SL & CF
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C_________________________152.7 cSt________(ASTM D445)
Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C________________________22.7 cSt_________(ASTM D445)
Viscosity Index___________________________________178
Sulfated Ash wt%_________________________________1.4___________ __(ASTM D874)
Phosphorous, wt%________________________________0.13___________ _(ASTM D4951)
Flash Point_________________________________234ºC___________(ASTM D92)
Density @15.6ºC g/ml_____________________________0.86____________(AS TM D4052)
Total Base Number TBN___________________________11.8_____________(AS TM D2896)
MRV @ -30ºC____________________________________25,762cP__ _______(ASTM D4684)
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC____________________5.7______________(ASTM D4683)

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Shell Helix Ultra Racing 10W-60 10W-60

API SM/CF
ACEA A3/B3/B4

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C_________________151 cSt_______________(IP 71)
Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C____________________22.8 cSt______________(IP 71)
Density @ 15°C_______________________________0.85 kg/l______________(IP 365)
Flash Point___________________________________215°C_____ ___________(IP 34)
Pour Point____________________________________-39°C________________(IP 15)
HTHS Viscosity @ 150°C PaS____________________5.42

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Valvoline VR1 Racing 10w60

SAE 10W-60
API SL

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C____________________165 mm2/s____________ASTM D-445
Kinematic viscosity @ 100ºC___________________23.0 mm2/s___________ASTM D-445
Viscosity Index______________________________168____________ ______ASTM D-2270
Viscosity, mPa.s –25°C. ______________________<7000 _______________ASTM D-5293
TBN, mg KOH/g_____________________________12.0__________________ASTM D-2896
Pour Point__________________________________-39ºC_________________ASTM D-5950
Specific Gravity @ 15.6°C.____________________0.864_________________A STM D-4052
Flash Point, COC_____________________________220ºC_____________ ___ASTM D-92

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Gulf Competition 10W60

(no formal specifications can be claimed, but these oils contain performance
additives designed to achieve ACEA A3/B4 and API SL/CF)

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C___________________________168.5cSt
Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C__________________________24.1cSt
Viscosity Index_____________________________________175
Cold Crank cP______________________________________6450@ -25ºC
Flash Point_________________________________________>200ºC
Pour Point_________________________________________-30ºC
TBN mg KOH/g_____________________________________9.2
Density @ 15ºC Kg/l_________________________________0.866

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Castrol Edge 10W60 & Castrol Edge Professional TWS 10W60
*pdf dated JULY/27/2011
&
*pdf dated JUNE/07/2011

ACEA A3/B4, A3/B3
API SM/CF or earlier specification 10W-60 lubricant.
BMW Exclusive approval for BMW M-Models

Kinematic viscosity @ 40°C___________________________________________160 mm²/s _____________ASTM D445
Kinematic viscosity @ 100°C__________________________________________22. 7 mm²/s_____________ASTM D445
Density @ 15°C Relative g/ml_________________________________________0.853__ ________________ASTM D4052
Viscosity CCS -25°C (10W) mPa.s (cP)_________________________________4879_________ __________ASTM D5293
Viscosity Index None______________________________________________ __173____________________ASTM D2270
Pour Point_____________________________________________ ____________-39°C___________________ASTM D97
Flash Point, PMCC______________________________________________ _____203°C__________________ASTM D93
Ash Sulphated % wt________________________________________________ _1.29___________________ASTM D874

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Castrol EDGE SPORT 10W60
*pdf dated MAY/20/2011

API SM/CF,
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 or earlier specification 10W-60 lubricant.

Viscosity, Kinematic 40º C__________________________________157 mm²/s_____________ASTM D445
Viscosity, Kinematic 100ºC__________________________________22.9 mm²/s____________ASTM D445
Density @ 15C Relative g/ml________________________________0.853___________ _______ASTM D4052
Viscosity CCS -25C mPa.s (cP)_______________________________4700___________ _______ASTM D5293
Viscosity Index None_______________________________________174____ _______________ASTM D2270
Ash, Sulphated % wt_______________________________________1.24_____ _____________ASTM D874
Pour Point_____________________________________________ ___-36°C_________________ASTM D97
Flash Point, PMCC__________________________________________208° C________________ASTM D93

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Liqui Moly Synthoil GT1 10W60

API SL/CF

ASTM colour : _____________________3.5
Density at 15 °C : __________________0.86 g/cm³
Viscosity at 40 °C : _________________163 mm²/s
Viscosity at 100 °C : ________________24 mm²/s
Viscosity index : ___________________179
Flash point : _______________________238 °C
Pour point : _______________________-35 °C
Evaporation loss : __________________6.9 %

best price i've found for LUBRO MOLY is bavauto

~$120+shipping for 15 Liters
Welcome to bavauto.com | Liqui Moly Race Tech GT1 oil - 10W-60 - 5 Liter bottle

recently i ran across this website with free shipping on 12 liters of castrol for $150.00 (haven't checked handling charge if any)
BMW 2003 M5 BMW 10w60 TWS Motorsport Oil (Case of 12 Liters) - 07 51 0 009 420

Fuddy · May 1, 2012

so does liqui moly have phosphorous?

JohnAnthony · May 1, 2012

i've seen people post supposed TWS VOAs and they show ~800ppm of zinc and phosphorous

seems low, since even oils like M1 0W40, 5W50, and 15W50 show 1000+ppm of both

brad penn 20w50 is one of the higher zinc and phosphorous content oils next to V-Twin oil

Penn Grade 1 High Performance Oil

Fuddy · May 8, 2012

just ordered from bavauto, will change the oil this weekend

B767capt · May 8, 2012

"best price i've found for LUBRO MOLY is bavauto"

"~$120+shipping for 15 Liters"
Welcome to bavauto.com | Liqui Moly Race Tech GT1 oil - 10W-60 - 5 Liter bottle

If you order 4 bottles (20L) the shipping is free.

rick_vor · May 8, 2012

Thanks Capt.

They are also running a free oil filter with purchase of 9l's. I bought four 5l bottles, added two oil filters and got free shipping for $160. At only $80 for an oil change, I couldn't pass it up.

Rick

B767capt · May 8, 2012

rick_vor said:
Thanks Capt.

They are also running a free oil filter with purchase of 9l's. I bought four 5l bottles, added two oil filters and got free shipping for $160. At only $80 for an oil change, I couldn't pass it up.

Rick

No, thank you Rick. I just went to their site and also ordered 4 bottles and 2 filters for just under 160 delivered. They didn't show an oil filter for an 08 M5 so I called. They put me on hold and looked it up with my VIN # and they have them. A glitch in their web site. It's a Mann filter and the number they gave me is 11 42 7 834 734. I confirmed it on another vendors site and it does fit our cars. Thank you for the heads up on the sale they are running.

I also plugged in 20L of Castrol TWS 10W60 and 2 Mann filters at the other vendor's site which is running a 10% sale now and it came to 304.86 delivered. Almost saved half.

bsze · May 8, 2012

they are giving out a free filter for every 5L jug or a free filter for every 4 1L bottles.

I added 4 filters and 4 5L jugs of 10w60. I will keep the extra 2 filters for oil changed in the future.

B767capt · May 8, 2012

bsze said:
they are giving out a free filter for every 5L jug or a free filter for every 4 1L bottles.

I added 4 filters and 4 5L jugs of 10w60. I will keep the extra 2 filters for oil changed in the future.

Thanks for that update. It's such a good deal I placed another order with 4 filters and 4 (5L) bottles of oil and it is the same price as you said. I then called them to see if they could add 2 filters to my first original order and they said no problem. So I'm getting 4 oil changes and 4 extra filters (total of 8 filters) for the price of 2 oil changes, and 2 filters with the other vendor with their sale going on. I think this is a good deal.:cheers:

messex · May 8, 2012

Wow - I just pulled the trigger on 4 5L bottles and 4 filters. Website makes it sound like you would only get 2 filters free, if you read it, but I put in 4, and got all 4 free (assuming I get them!). Great deal for sure. Thanks for mentioning this here!

bsze · May 8, 2012

glad it worked out for everyone!

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