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post #11 of 139 Old 21st November 2010, 06:00 PM
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Interesting topic...but I might be more interested in swapping the SMG for the M-DCT being used in the current M3 models...not even sure if it is possible, but if that transmission is the future of M model cars, at least you know parts and the ability to work on it will be around.
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So let's say you want to keep your amazing M5 for a long time ... like 10 or more years. At some time you will be long out of warranty and may face a SMG transmission failure. At that point do you think you might consider swapping out the SMG for a 6-speed manual? Considering that parts for the 6-speed cost something like $4,500 versus $8,900 for the SMG?

I enjoy reading about the classic BMWs from 20 to 25 years ago such as the E24 6 series and the E28 5 series ... and to keep those machines on the road they are always swapping out for parts from other BMWs, especially converting from automatic transmissions to manuals.

So I started to wonder ... what steps are we going to need to take to keep these beasts on the road long-term? Your thoughts?
you are safe for at least 10 years, by law BMW is required to make parts avaliable for all vehicles for at least 10 years. since the e60 was in production through 2010 and relatively unchanged, that gives us until 2020. if similar vehicles are any indictor of parts avability , and considering the e60 was the most successful m5 ever, we'll probally have another 5-10 years of good aftermarket replacement parts after that. also as stated, the smg III really isn't too much different than a regular stick, infact it's much less a headache than other dual clutch smgs that are available today. if I were to be afraid of anything failing and being unable to locate a part, it would be with any of the cars electrically operated components.
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Interesting topic...but I might be more interested in swapping the SMG for the M-DCT being used in the current M3 models...not even sure if it is possible, but if that transmission is the future of M model cars, at least you know parts and the ability to work on it will be around.
I don't know if that is possible, but if you want a 500 horsepower NA M car with DCT, you could always pick up an E90 M3 and put the Dinan 4.6 liter stroker in it!



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I wouldn't put the slower manual which wasn't even meant for the M5 in the first place, into my car, period. I'm sure there's more to a tranny swap than just parts. ECU will have to get reprogramed, and who knows what else.
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6speed in an M5..is embarrassing the worst idea BMW ever had...imagine such a heavy car with a stick?? it reminds me of a Chrysler New Yorker with a 392 Hemi and a four speed, it's exciting as getting a kiss from your grandmother and she slips you the tongue !!!!!
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I disagree on two counts.
1) I love it that I own a full size sedan with a 6 speed. My Viper is no smaller and has a 6 speed.
2) What difference is it that the manual was not made for the care. There are plenty of car companies (porsche) that swap components. This is called economies of scale and makes cares more affordable to produce. I understand that the v10 was incredibly expenive to produce.
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I disagree on two counts.
1) I love it that I own a full size sedan with a 6 speed. My Viper is no smaller and has a 6 speed.
2) What difference is it that the manual was not made for the care. There are plenty of car companies (porsche) that swap components. This is called economies of scale and makes cares more affordable to produce. I understand that the v10 was incredibly expenive to produce.
I disagree on you disagreeing.

1) Your viper is no smaller? The BMW weighs 600lbs more and is 17 inches longer! Might want to check your math on that.
2) The difference is that the gear ratios are improperly spaced for the M5's engine, so when you shift it drops you too low in the rpm range and out of your powerband, and this is why the SMG car is quite a bit faster than the 6 speed car in a straight line.

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I can't stand SMG for daily driving! I have a 6 speed and I love it. I'm a REAL driver and actually race motorcycles for a living. With SMG I didn't feel attached to the car, I felt distant. I prefer a 6 speed because then I am truly in control of everything. It may be slightly slower but I can assure I would beat 99% of you with same setups. I did notice the rpms dropping a little low but that's nothing a flash with raised revlimit can't fix!
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6speed in an M5..is embarrassing the worst idea BMW ever had...imagine such a heavy car with a stick?? it reminds me of a Chrysler New Yorker with a 392 Hemi and a four speed, it's exciting as getting a kiss from your grandmother and she slips you the tongue !!!!!
I bet you drive horrible and slow so you must need this transmission. BMW wanted to sell more cars to people like me who would not have purchased otherwise; smart on their part! I love my manual M5 and think your truly a simple person if you think it's "embarrassing".
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