Clutch less change can be done by just loading the gear lever then when the bike hits the rev limiter this unloads the gear box and it snicks into the next gear but on a 1000cc bike it will try to flip or wheel spin or both at over a 100 mph.
Also people talk about being on it, on a bike bellow 140ish mph you can't just mash the throttle you have to roll on or you'll flip, its only after 150 you can stretch the throttle cables and just go.
I notice in the video clip Gustav posted its raining, you would beat a bike in a Mini One lol!
The bikers on here are all saying the same from experience of having both bikes and the M5/M6, those that say anything different are the ones who only do 4 wheels... speaks volumes.
I love both just know which are quicker, just check out in gear acceleration times, 0-100, 0-150, 0-180 and 1/4 mile on google
Jay
Canīt you just belive that the Evo did beat the bike instead of trying to find excuses?
For the 302307935th time, nobody is saying that a stock car will beat a 1000 cc bike i terms of acceleration, it all depends on the driver but there are tuned cars that CAN beat a 1000 cc bike, simple as that.
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Canīt you just belive that the Evo did beat the bike instead of trying to find excuses?
For the 302307935th time, nobody is saying that a stock car will beat a 1000 cc bike i terms of acceleration, it all depends on the driver but there are tuned cars that CAN beat a 1000 cc bike, simple as that.
I was actually putting the bike down and agreeing that low down the bike did get beat but I think it is a valid reason, have you ever riden a bike in the wet?? Throw in traffic and the bike will kill any and I mean ANY car in any weather!
And a 'tuned' 1000cc bike could beat a 'tuned' car, where does this stop? funny cars and jet bike??
If I find you on a dry road you won't need your rear view mirrior you'll need a telescope to see me in the distance through the windscreen that will burst your bubble
I was actually putting the bike down and agreeing that low down the bike did get beat but I think it is a valid reason, have you ever riden a bike in the wet?? Throw in traffic and the bike will kill any and I mean ANY car in any weather!
And a 'tuned' 1000cc bike could beat a 'tuned' car, where does this stop? funny cars and jet bike??
If I find you on a dry road you won't need your rear view mirrior you'll need a telescope to see me in the distance through the windscreen that will burst your bubble
I think I have said enough
Jay
Yes, you are acting like every other bikeperson
It wasnīt wet in that race, the driver of the bike did speak himself and told his point of view...Evoīs ***
This talk about tuned vs stock and so on...you can take that with somebody else, in my world, there isnīt any stock vs stock, you race what you got, period!
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I sold my 2006 ZX-10R and bought the Triumph 675 Daytona, because the 675 is way better in the types of twisties I ride on in the hills around the San Francisco Bay Area. The only thing I miss about the ZX-10R is that insane sledgehammer engine.. Having said that, I miss that feeling of having the biggest gun out there. There's something about knowing you have enough motor to destroy almost anything you may run up against in a straight line. Around here, most people set their Cars up for handling, not absolute maximum power. I think the most powerful Car I have ever come up against in the SF Bay area was a guy with a Toyota Supra Turbo that claimed he had 900 HP... Mostly, it's 997 TT's, Ferrari 430's, the occasional Porsche Carrera GT... We very seldom see the real high HP cars here. And I'm all about the turns myself, that's where I get my thrills.
Good thread by the way, with some well reasoned replies from some obviously intelligent people. This kind of discussion on other forums usually degenerates into childishness and name calling by this point.
The 675 is a wonderful bike.
I had the opportunity to track ride one at Miller Motorsports in Salt Lake a few years ago.
Very impressive on the track-not as fast as my 04 ZX-10, but still a ton of fun.
Very interesting thread here.
Didn't realize there are so many M guys that like sportsbikes also!
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I think we've completely deflected from the thread.
Notice the thread is "E60 M5 vs 600cc bikes...your thoughts?"
I didn't see 1000cc bikes mentioned at all.
While reading through the thread, I saw someone say he wasn't sure what a "literbike" was. A literbike is a 1000cc bike. 1000cc is 1 liter.
Like I said before, for the average fast car (M5, M6, Gallardo, Z06, etc), a 1000cc bike is much faster at almost any speed. It may be possible to get a little faster than them at really high speeds (like 180+) but honestly who starts a race at those speeds? This is stock for stock.
Against a 600cc bike, however, the average fast car has a good chance if it's on a roll. Again, stock for stock.
Now, stock for stock races won't come often because ost bike guys typically throw on an exhaust, but without a tune this isn't all that much horsepower (but 5-10hp on a 180kg bike is quite a bit). Others (like my dad) typically change the gearing as well.
Mentioning gearing, if anyone has ever ridden a 600cc bike, the first gear is pretty tall. About 80mph tall (at least that's what it was on my Dad's R6). Obviously, this really hurts it off the line and it takes a very skilled rider to get a good launch. However, with the lower gearing, my Dad's R6 can hang with stock 1000's up to about 130mph.
Also that's not to say literbike gearing isn't tall either (Dad's R1 did 100mph in first gear in factory form - now geared down and does a bit less than 90 in first). But the big thing about having a 1000 is the added torque and that definitely helps on the launch.
Of course there are some cars which will eat bikes alive, but speed comes with money, so if you have the money...
Also, this whole argument seems to be about straight line racing.
However, once you throw in turns, it's a whole different story.
A comparison of MotoGP vs Formula 1 (MotoGP is the Formula 1 equivalent for Motorcycles - so basically the fastest/best class of cars and bikes being compared here), a Formula 1 car SLAUGHTERED a MotoGP bike around a track. It was absolute murder. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 seconds! On a lap that is about 75-85 seconds that is HUGE.
But once you take out prototype engineering and professional riders and drivers, the story changes.
You need to be a fantastic rider to get anything more than 80% performance out a bike. They say for bike racing, it's 20% bike 80% rider. That balance is the opposite for cars. Typically 80% car 20% driver. In a car, even a complete fool can get about 80% of the cars performance.
So, we can have this argument all day long, and whenever someone brings up some point, you can just as easily disprove it.
But based on the OP's question - YES, an M5 has a chance against any relatively stock 600cc bike so long as you start from speeds around 50mph or higher. The higher the speed you start at, the better chance the M5 has. If the race has any distance to it, the M5 will always pass it sooner or later. A 600cc bike can't do anything over 180mph unless heavily modded and it still is very slow after 140mph. M5 wakes up after 100mph and pulls like a beast...
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You can't really compare MotoGP and F1 as the bikes aren't allowed downforce producing devices (the fairings are too strictly controlled), or dustbin style fairings (banned because of instability problems with the first ones, although sorted these days), or rear wings (banned on rider safety grounds).
The problem is, anything with similar regulations you could compare to in the car world are dog slow, I think perhaps the closest you could get would be superbikes vs touring cars, but even then the touring cars are running some downforce these days.
Those people commenting about bikes not being able to take the sweepers on the motorways - they can, easily, but most bikers will leave a lot of grip in reserve - they only have to hit on expansion joint or cats eye going 10/10th's and they're off the bike, a car would just give you an arse-clenching twitch, that's why, as mentioned, 98% of riders are never going to go anywhere near balls-out running.
but on a 1000cc bike it will try to flip or wheel spin or both at over a 100 mph.
but I think it is a valid reason, have you ever riden a bike in the wet?? Throw in traffic and the bike will kill any and I mean ANY car in any weather!
that will burst your bubble
Having said that, I miss that feeling of having the biggest gun out there. There's something about knowing you have enough motor to destroy almost anything you may run up against in a straight line. Around here, most people set their Cars up for handling, not absolute maximum power. I think the most powerful Car I have ever come up against in the SF Bay area was a guy with a Toyota Supra Turbo that claimed he had 900 HP... Mostly, it's 997 TT's, Ferrari 430's, the occasional Porsche Carrera GT... We very seldom see the real high HP cars here. And I'm all about the turns myself, that's where I get my thrills.
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