I've taken my bike up to 180 and raced cars up to that speed MANY times. My name is Enes and I am both experienced and stupid.
Ever race an M on your bike, what cars have beaten you, if any?
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Funny that this thread came up. Over the past 3 days I have raced 2 bikes. First run was with my friend driving as I was in the passenger seat. From a dig it was very nasty for my ///M. Not sure how many cc's it was though.
Just now driving alone I ran into another bike, once again dont know how many cc's. From a dig I got my *** kicked yet again but from a 50 roll in 2nd it wasn't so bad. He put a little distance on me but I passed him as I was redlining 4th and into 5th
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What about the twisties? I had fun with a bike in some turns that scared the hell out of me at 70-90mph and I was leading, and he fell behind. (not really a race, just sort of following at some higher speeds with friendly waves & nods). I was in my 997S but the question is still applicable for this thread - at speeds of 70-90mph or so in twisties, are bikes still at an advantage?
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Sorry Guys, but I have a ton of experience on Bikes, specifically 1000cc Sportbikes and there's not a stock Car on the planet that can touch a Literbike unless the rider doesn't know what he's doing. A STOCK 2008 Kawasaki ZX-10R making 164 RWHP can go fron 0-180 mph in 17 seconds.... During a Magazine test, they put a Twin Turbo'd 1100 HP Ford GT up against all the top HyperBikes... ZX-10R as I said ran 0-180 mph in 17 seconds... the 1100 hp Ford GT took 22 seconds to get there. More importantly, the ZX-10R was comprehensively faster from 100 mph to 180 mph (in the range of 3-4 seconds faster, which at those speeds is a considerable distance).
In terms of top speed, all Japanes LiterBikes are suppopsed to be limited (by Gentleman's agreement) to 300 Km/h, or 186 mph these days, but I can tell you from my own 2006 ZX-10R that even though the speedo stops at 186 mph, the rev counter keeps climbing. A STOCK LiterBike is good for somewhere north of 190 mph in perfect conditions if the rider knows how to tuck in and has an Aero hump on his leathers. If the Bike has had its speed limiter removed or bypassed by something like an Ivan's TRE, you COULD be looking at a Bike that can top 200 mph... There are Hayabusas and Kawasaki ZX-12R's/ZX-14's/ZX-10R's that can top 220 mph with heavy mods.... A few have gone 235 mph +
600cc class Bikes are a different story. A really well ridden 600cc class Bike will do a 1/4 mile in 10.3 - 10.5 seconds at 135 mph+, which is Bugatti Veyron territory, BUT..... They top out at 165-170 mph at best, so an M5 or M6 that's delimited will KILL it above 150 mph. I now have a Triumph Daytona 675 and have run against a friend's Dodge Viper Hennessey Venom 650.... I have him comprehensively spanked from a standing start until over 150 mph. From a roll-on, I have to be in the perfect gear and in the perfect part of my rev range in order to pull on him in second through 6th (I also always do clutchless upshifts which keeps the revs up and saves a couple of tenths per shift). If I am even slightly off, he wins from almost every speed and from every gear.
Bottom line, you can beat a 600cc SportBike if you are even a semi-decent driver and the Bike rider is average. A literBike that's well ridden (and I would estimate that maybe 2%, yes TWO percent are ridden well - SOOOO many idiot Squids that have no clue as to how to ride, shift or get through a corner).... You're screwed unless you are talking speeds above 180 mph and by that point, the Bike will have taken a quarter mile or more out of you if you started from a standing start or from a second gear roll-on..
In the twisties, a well ridden SportBike (600cc class or 1000cc) will kill most Stock Cars on the right roads, HOWEVER.... on really tight stuff a Car has an advantage, also if the road surface is in bad shape. Again, I have a ton of Car racing experience on tracks like Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Thunderhill Raceway, Willows Springs etc as well as Shifter Kart and Motorcycle racing; I have been a Driving instructor with local race series like NASA, GreenFlag Racing and Porsche Club of America and have no particular Axe to grind on behalf of either Cars or Bikes... I love them both. In general, there are VERY few Motorcycle riders that have even the slightest clue as to how to ride these modern Bikes at anywhere close to their potential and it takes serious skill, judgment and balls to ride a Motorcycle at the limits on public roads (not to mention the danger of being arrested and sent to Jail ) as the consequences of a screw-up are usually fatal, whereas in a Car there is WAAAAAAY more latitude to make a mistake.
If you ever run into a really good rider on a well set-up modern LiterBike, you are absolute toast, either in a straight line or in the twisties. I can get my lowly little Triumph Daytona 675 with its 114 RWHP (slightly modified) through my local twisties way, way, way faster than I ever could in my Corvette Z06 with Hoosiers and a complete track suspension setup, or in my 550 RWHP Porsche 944 Turbo which was even more track oriented.
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Sorry Guys, but I have a ton of experience on Bikes, specifically 1000cc Sportbikes and there's not a stock Car on the planet that can touch a Literbike unless the rider doesn't know what he's doing. A STOCK 2008 Kawasaki ZX-10R making 164 RWHP can go fron 0-180 mph in 17 seconds.... During a Magazine test, they put a Twin Turbo'd 1100 HP Ford GT up against all the top HyperBikes... ZX-10R as I said ran 0-180 mph in 17 seconds... the 1100 hp Ford GT took 22 seconds to get there. More importantly, the ZX-10R was comprehensively faster from 100 mph to 180 mph (in the range of 3-4 seconds faster, which at those speeds is a considerable distance).
In terms of top speed, all Japanes LiterBikes are suppopsed to be limited (by Gentleman's agreement) to 300 Km/h, or 186 mph these days, but I can tell you from my own 2006 ZX-10R that even though the speedo stops at 186 mph, the rev counter keeps climbing. A STOCK LiterBike is good for somewhere north of 190 mph in perfect conditions if the rider knows how to tuck in and has an Aero hump on his leathers. If the Bike has had its speed limiter removed or bypassed by something like an Ivan's TRE, you COULD be looking at a Bike that can top 200 mph... There are Hayabusas and Kawasaki ZX-12R's/ZX-14's/ZX-10R's that can top 220 mph with heavy mods.... A few have gone 235 mph +
600cc class Bikes are a different story. A really well ridden 600cc class Bike will do a 1/4 mile in 10.3 - 10.5 seconds at 135 mph+, which is Bugatti Veyron territory, BUT..... They top out at 165-170 mph at best, so an M5 or M6 that's delimited will KILL it above 150 mph. I now have a Triumph Daytona 675 and have run against a friend's Dodge Viper Hennessey Venom 650.... I have him comprehensively spanked from a standing start until over 150 mph. From a roll-on, I have to be in the perfect gear and in the perfect part of my rev range in order to pull on him in second through 6th (I also always do clutchless upshifts which keeps the revs up and saves a couple of tenths per shift). If I am even slightly off, he wins from almost every speed and from every gear.
Bottom line, you can beat a 600cc SportBike if you are even a semi-decent driver and the Bike rider is average. A literBike that's well ridden (and I would estimate that maybe 2%, yes TWO percent are ridden well - SOOOO many idiot Squids that have no clue as to how to ride, shift or get through a corner).... You're screwed unless you are talking speeds above 180 mph and by that point, the Bike will have taken a quarter mile or more out of you if you started from a standing start or from a second gear roll-on..
In the twisties, a well ridden SportBike (600cc class or 1000cc) will kill most Stock Cars on the right roads, HOWEVER.... on really tight stuff a Car has an advantage, also if the road surface is in bad shape. Again, I have a ton of Car racing experience on tracks like Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Thunderhill Raceway, Willows Springs etc as well as Shifter Kart and Motorcycle racing; I have been a Driving instructor with local race series like NASA, GreenFlag Racing and Porsche Club of America and have no particular Axe to grind on behalf of either Cars or Bikes... I love them both. In general, there are VERY few Motorcycle riders that have even the slightest clue as to how to ride these modern Bikes at anywhere close to their potential and it takes serious skill, judgment and balls to ride a Motorcycle at the limits on public roads (not to mention the danger of being arrested and sent to Jail ) as the consequences of a screw-up are usually fatal, whereas in a Car there is WAAAAAAY more latitude to make a mistake.
If you ever run into a really good rider on a well set-up modern LiterBike, you are absolute toast, either in a straight line or in the twisties. I can get my lowly little Triumph Daytona 675 with its 114 RWHP (slightly modified) through my local twisties way, way, way faster than I ever could in my Corvette Z06 with Hoosiers and a complete track suspension setup, or in my 550 RWHP Porsche 944 Turbo which was even more track oriented.
Good post, seems valid too. Although here in Denmark we have quite a few bikes because the cars are so expensive, so we mostly run bikes. It is my experience that we can outrun almost any 600cc bike when starting from 50 mph+ - even 750cc bikes can be in trouble. There might be a lot of bad drivers here in Denmark apparently, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that any 600cc bike can outrun the M5 up to 150 mph - because that is NOT the case.
And Veyron terrortory is with a trap speed way higher than 135 mph on the quater mile . 7.3 seconds to 124 mph, you do the math.
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And Veyron terrortory is with a trap speed way higher than 135 mph on the quater mile . 7.3 seconds to 124 mph, you do the math.
The Veyron traps at about 142, so yes, 135 is less than 142, but at those speeds, we're still talking a few tenths of a second, which is not a huge amount.
The Veyron traps at about 142, so yes, 135 is less than 142, but at those speeds, we're still talking a few tenths of a second, which is not a huge amount.
The Veyron is quoted as having a 1/4 mile ET in the 10.2 - 10.5 second range, although, you are correct about the speed.. a Veyron is in the 142 -148 mph range through the quarter mile. Even so, a STOCK LiterBike can pull a 9.78 second 1/4 mile at 150 mph plus if done properly.
The point I was trying to make is that an M5 or M6 will beat a 600cc class Bike, even from a standing start if the Car driver knows what he is doing and the Bike rider makes even the smallest mistake... The M5/M6 will also beat a 600cc Bike from a roll-on (a roll-on is a closer race and the higher the starting speed of the roll-on, the better the M5/M6 will do). Against a LiterBike... not a chance..not even in the same Galaxy as far as performance, until 180 mph plus.
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600cc class Bikes are a different story. A really well ridden 600cc class Bike will do a 1/4 mile in 10.3 - 10.5 seconds at 135 mph+, which is Bugatti Veyron territory
I intentionally tried to stay clear of 'LiterBikes' (never heard this term before, but I assume we're talking ZX-10 or other 160+ hp bikes), my point was that a Veyron would kill any 600cc bike - road or standing start, it wouldn't matter. But I agree on the motorcycle driving skills issue.. There seems to be a huge difference on how well a similar bike performs with different drivers - the gap is way bigger than it is between an average and skilled car driver.
Edit: I just searched dragtimes.com and it appears that the Koenigsegg is a true beast acceleration-wise (still lacking those extra km/h on top speed compared to Veyron)
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I intentionally tried to stay clear of 'LiterBikes' (never heard this term before, but I assume we're talking ZX-10 or other 160+ hp bikes), my point was that a Veyron would kill any 600cc bike - road or standing start, it wouldn't matter. But I agree on the motorcycle driving skills issue.. There seems to be a huge difference on how well a similar bike performs with different drivers - the gap is way bigger than it is between an average and skilled car driver.
Edit: I just searched dragtimes.com and it appears that the Koenigsegg is a true beast acceleration-wise (still lacking those extra km/h on top speed compared to Veyron)
I'm definitely NOT buying that time... a 9.1 @ 146 is all wrong.. A 9.1 would have to have a speed in the 150 mph plus range. They Veyron has AWD and 1001 hp and can't get within a second of this supposed time. It's bogus.
I'm definitely NOT buying that time... a 9.1 @ 146 is all wrong.. A 9.1 would have to have a speed in the 150 mph plus range. They Veyron has AWD and 1001 hp and can't get within a second of this supposed time. It's bogus.
I can agree you on this one, Koenigseggs time is just bogus and FAR from real! They state a 0-200 km/h in 9 seconds, but at the same time has a quarter mile time at 9.1/146...funny actually
But, as for cars beeing faster then bikes...it all depends on how much hp the car has. We all know that a stock car won´t be able against a 2009 1000 cc bike...but why be so damn stubborn and always have this "stock vs stock"?
It´s like me going up to a guy with a Fiat 500 and say: Hey, I can beat you with my M5...
DO´H...master of the obvious!
I am always out for fun, if the car is tuned or not, anything beeing able to keep up with me is fun but bikepeople, they take it personally...at least most of them.
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. 7.3 seconds to 124 mph, you do the math.
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