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Old 27th June 2009, 19:45   #41
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well i'm not even sure why this issue is being discussed? the manual is very clear on this topic "drive off with low RPM" end of discussion
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Old 28th June 2009, 16:42   #42
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Please elaborate how idling can affect the exhaust.

Warming up the car idle won't help tranny and other components other than bringing the oil temp to the level, but it shouldn't hurt.
There is a problem with letting a car idle for too long. It can damage the catalytic converter.

The problem comes with the throttle plate. This is effectively a valve that opens and shuts in the intake manifold and regulates the air flow. It is attached to the accelerator/gas pedal and when the pedal is pressed, the throttle plate opens proportionally. When you floor it, the throttle plate opens 100%. However when you don't touch the pedal i.e. let the engine idle, the throttle plate almost closes- but not quite (or the engine will stall). It is only about 3% open. Under these conditions the engine has to act as a pump, effectively forcing air through in order to run.

The lack of air means the engine will be using much more fuel to run and this richer mixture can clog up in the catalytic converter.

Apologies if this sounds a bit long winded. The chances are your car is okay.
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Old 28th June 2009, 18:38   #43
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My engine chokes a little when cold, does that happen to others as well?
Mine too, but only on P400 mode for a minute or so.
After that is fine.
The reason BMW says to start the car and go, is because some of it's hydrolic systems need to build some presure to operate properly.
I have ask the dealer and they said that we must always drive immediately after start up.
It's in the drivers manual too and it's there for a reason.
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well i'm not even sure why this issue is being discussed? the manual is very clear on this topic "drive off with low RPM" end of discussion
We all know what the manual states. The question is 'why'?

Remember when your father taught you the lesson of "if someone said jump from a bridge"? The same applies here.
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Idling from cold was always frowned upon in the days of manual chokes because driving off meant there was less need to keep the engine running with a rich mixture, the mass of the car helped the flywheel to keep the engine turningl and the engine warmed quicker as the fuel burned in moving the car is more than would be burned standing still for the same time. The rich mixture tended to dilute lubricant.

Motoring is full of folklore and old wives tales no matter how the technology advances. In my opinion an awful lot of money is wasted on mods no more effective than was snake oil.
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There is a problem with letting a car idle for too long. It can damage the catalytic converter.

The problem comes with the throttle plate. This is effectively a valve that opens and shuts in the intake manifold and regulates the air flow. It is attached to the accelerator/gas pedal and when the pedal is pressed, the throttle plate opens proportionally. When you floor it, the throttle plate opens 100%. However when you don't touch the pedal i.e. let the engine idle, the throttle plate almost closes- but not quite (or the engine will stall). It is only about 3% open. Under these conditions the engine has to act as a pump, effectively forcing air through in order to run.

The lack of air means the engine will be using much more fuel to run and this richer mixture can clog up in the catalytic converter.

Apologies if this sounds a bit long winded. The chances are your car is okay.
Make sense. If the only reason by warming at idle was due to catalytic converter, I guess i'm safe since I have no cats left.

Any other reasons?

How about warming with a slight throttle applied? I heard revving the engine at idle while warming is not good for your engine too.
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I start mine up and warm it by keeping the revs between 7,000 and 8,000 rpm's for the first 10 min. it warms quickly....
have you ever read your manual, sir?
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have you ever read your manual, sir?
Lol he wasnt serious.
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Lol he wasnt serious.
AND YOU THINK I WAS? hah
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Lol he wasnt serious.

Yes he was!!!
I do the same thing too!

Sometimes I also use a blanket during warm up
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