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Old 1st June 2009, 05:14   #1
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IPOD MOST interface. Time to vent..

Well I purchased the MOST interface recently and installation went off fairly smooth with a few glitches here and there.

I have had time to use my ipod for a day or two and boy...THere are some really pain in a## frustrations that I have noted.

1. When switching CD 2 to 3 it seems to take a rather long time..
2. CD2 (artists)..Really frustrating that listening to a song and then going back to root ALWAYS restarts the search from the beginning (letter A in my case).

3. Scrolling down to other selections is not very quick nor enjoyable with the force feedback BS..

4. Even more frustrating is that there is no way to separate albums for the same artist. I have 4 U2 albums on my ipod and even though the IPOD subdivides into albums and then songs, this does not seem to be the case with the adaptor. Under U2 all songs are listed (in what order I don't know, but I may have to scroll down 40 clicks before getting to the song I want.

I am sure there are more . Maybe I am missing something.

Input/comments are appreciated.
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Old 1st June 2009, 06:31   #2
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Yeah I remember.. iPod interface blows on the 06' model yr.
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Old 1st June 2009, 22:13   #3
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Is this just a problem with the 06? Can I try to get a software update that will take care of some of these problems?
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The only benefit of the sofware upgrade is the elimination of force feedback. It is still painfully slow loading up when you move betwen CD1, CD2, CD3, etc.
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After reading all of this, I'm trying to find a decent replacement for the Ipod interface. Decided I'm going to try a small WinCE touchscreen panel, that has voice activated Ipod controls. The panel has a regular 3.5 mm audio out, which I'll feed into AUX In jack on the M5.

I'll make a separate thread about it once it works out (or if it doesn't)...
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Well I purchased the MOST interface recently and installation went off fairly smooth with a few glitches here and there.

I have had time to use my ipod for a day or two and boy...THere are some really pain in a## frustrations that I have noted.

1. When switching CD 2 to 3 it seems to take a rather long time..
2. CD2 (artists)..Really frustrating that listening to a song and then going back to root ALWAYS restarts the search from the beginning (letter A in my case).

3. Scrolling down to other selections is not very quick nor enjoyable with the force feedback BS..

4. Even more frustrating is that there is no way to separate albums for the same artist. I have 4 U2 albums on my ipod and even though the IPOD subdivides into albums and then songs, this does not seem to be the case with the adaptor. Under U2 all songs are listed (in what order I don't know, but I may have to scroll down 40 clicks before getting to the song I want.

I am sure there are more . Maybe I am missing something.

Input/comments are appreciated.
If the Ipod adaptor drives you crazy, you might consider the Dension GW500. After considering the BMW Ipod Interface and other aftermarket products, I settled on the Dension GW500. The Dension had some early reports of software bugs causing it and/or iDrive to crash, but it seems that firmware upgrades have fixed the problems. After living with the Dension for a couple weeks, I've had no crashes. It seems to be an improvement on some of the frustrations you've had:

1. Switching between CD2 and CD3 is not particularly slow or fast, but due to the iPod interface available via CD5, I don't really use CD1, 2, or 3. (Playlists, Artists, Albums).

2. Accessing Artists through CD2 is a pain (you have to use Pages and guess which page your artists is on), but through CD5, you can select Artist and search by first letter index (i.e., scroll to M to see all the artists beginning with M). Pretty fast this way.

3. Yeah, nothing you can do about that without upgrading iDrive. I don't mind the force feedback itself, but that it works so poorly, with a long pause between the initial resistance and the screen scrolling.

4. Dension is a big improvement. Via CD5, you can select, for example, your U2 albums, and they are each listed separately, similar to the iPod's actual interface.

CD5 basically browses the iPod with basically the same menu structure as on the iPod. The root menu of CD5 has Albums, Artists, etc., as well as Podcasts, Composer, Genre, etc. CD5 is the easiest way to navigate the iPod on iDrive. The only failing is that there is no single button equivalent of a "back" button, but that is overall minor.

Other plusses of the Dension:

- USB input: an easy way to play a few mp3s, a mix, an audiocast in mp3, without having to sync the ipod. Will also support a USB powered HDD.
- Aux in: minor benefit for the odd audio source
- Native iPod control: you can control the music via the iPod's own interface (You select input via CD6: iPod via iDrive, iPod native, Aux in, and USB.)
- Retain CDC: You can switch between the CDC and Dension with a switch.
- Dension unit remembers exactly where you were when you switched to another source (e.g., FM) or turned the car off, so it starts exactly where you stopped to the second.

Negatives:

- Over $100 more than the BMW iPod Interface
- When the iPod is replugged in, it takes a while before it is recognized and is accessible
- Still frustrating to use the iDrive interface
- You can scan a directory by selecting the track while it is playing (i.e., play the first 8 secs of each track in succession), but you can't stop the scan without exiting the directory and going to CD4. Minor issue, but an odd oversight.
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Dekay, where do i get the denison and how easy is it to install?
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How good does the random function operate? The OEM one is atrocious.
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Dekay, where do i get the denison and how easy is it to install?
They don't have a lot of points of sale in the U.S. Ebay, Mobilesoundworks.com, and Dension's North American distributor Automobility Distribution are all options. There are occasional group buys on E60 Information Network. I got mine from Mobile Sound Works, who gave me a decent deal. Street prices seem to be less than $450; the NA distributor will quote you list at $550.

I'm not particularly experienced with car electronics installs, but comfortable with electronics from DIY projects with my AV system and house electrical. It took me longer than other posters on the Dension suggested, which was "30 minutes". It took me closer to 2 hours, mostly because I tried a couple different install locations and worked methodically to avoid breaking anything. If you are competent with this stuff, it should really take less than an hour.

I followed the Dension DIY posts on e60.net for the basics:

Self Installation of Dension Gateway 500 - E60 Forums

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Dension Gateway 500 - plug and play DIY install - E60 Forums

I followed Bruce Miranda's suggestion on how to splice power from the CDC power supply cables, which requires buying about $12 of parts from the BMW dealer, and a buck or two for two small gauge splice connectors from Radio Shack. There was zero soldering required. The Dension installation instructions that come with the unit are not that useful.

I ended up attaching the Dension, which is small, to the top interior of the glove compartment, and tucked all the wiring out of the way behind the glove compartment. I wanted a clean look. The iPod cable and USB cable dangle down on the left, interior part of the glove compartment where I can easily reach it from the driver's seat. When the glove compartment is closed, there is no exposed wiring; it looks stock.

I like the Dension Gateway 500 so far. Good luck.
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How good does the random function operate? The OEM one is atrocious.
I don't use the random function much, but I'll try it. What's wrong with the OEM random function?
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