GT3 RS Kill - Page 4 - The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com)

canysmc · 17th February 2009, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by M V10

BMW:s testdrivers has driven the M5 around Nurburgring at 7:52 min

But I don't see it here:
Nürburgring lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or
Nordschleife lap records - FastestLaps.com

Even a google search didn't yield anything.

However, that sure is one fast lap for 4000+ lbs.

canysmc · 17th February 2009, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5Ranger

Another point comes to mind.
The GT3/RS is a 3.6L little six banger and naturally aspirated.
The turbo'ed versions of this basic motor do make serous power.

As a naturally aspirated product this motor is highly tweeked and high strung. This makes it a fun motor to drive. At redline the characterictics of this motor are so intoxicating.

So lets compare a 5.0L V10 vs. a 3.6L flat six. Is this fair?
No matter it is good competition.
My GT3 makes 128 hp/L. Not bad for a naturally aspirated engine.
Just as incidental info the Dinan stroker is approx. 110 hp/L.

What would happen ? It is a fun thought

. Please do not mention the video game.
Thank you

Ranger

Quote:

Originally Posted by holmesmd

The S85 is naturally aspirated as well so I'm not sure what your point is?

The GT3 RS is also a lot lighter. The P-car took off on the M6 as the op stated. I guess the decision was made by the driver of the Porsche that he thought he could win!

He did state his point.

How much "HP" is gained/lossed from 3031+ lbs @ 415hp to 4034+ lbs @ 500hp?

M V10 · 17th February 2009, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by canysmc

But I don't see it here:
Nürburgring lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or
Nordschleife lap records - FastestLaps.com

Even a google search didn't yield anything.

However, that sure is one fast lap for 4000+ lbs.

Here you go

I did post this list some while ago but can´t remember in which thread.

Top laptimes at the Nürburgring Nordschleife:

7:28 — 166.652 km/h — Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl,(Autobild July 2004)

7:32.00 — Pagani Zonda F, Sport Auto Magazine

7:32.44 163.911 km/h — Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time Horst Von Saurma (sport auto 01/2004)

7:32.52 163.882 km/h — Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann

7:36 — 162.631 km/h — AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom

7:36 — 162.631 km/h — Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)

7:39 — 161.575 km/h — Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg

7:40 — 161.217 km/h — Corvette Z06 Blue Devil, 600 PS/ 1419.7 kg (estimated), Jan Magnusen (AutoBild 7/2005)

7:40* — 161.217 km/h — Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)

7:40 — 161.217 km/h — Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)

7:40 — 161.217 km/h — Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)

7:41 — 160.868 km/h – Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004)

7:42 — 160.519 km/h — Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)

7:42 — 160.519 km/h — Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (2002)

7:43 — 160.173 km/h — TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)

7:43 — 160.173 km/h — Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Röhrl (MOTOR Magazine)

7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h — Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)

7:44 — 159.828 km/h — Pagani Zonda C12 S, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 07/2002)

7:45 — 159.484 km/h — Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)

7:45* — 159.484 km/h — McLaren F1 * Estimated laptime

7:46 — 159.142 km/h — Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)

7:46 — 159.142 km/h — Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine)

7:46 — 159.142 km/h — SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)

7:47 — 158.801 km/h — Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)

7.49 — 158.124 km/h — Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004)

7:49 — 158.124 km/h — Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)

7:49.72 157.885 km/h — Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)

7:50 — 157.787 km/h — BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)

7:50 — 157.787 km/h — Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schürg (1997)

7:50 — 157.787 km/h — Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)

7:50 — 157.787 km/h – Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine

7:52 — 157.119 km/h – BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg

7:52 — 157.119 km/h — Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)

7:52 — 157.119 km/h — Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sport auto 12/2003)

7:52 — 157.119 km/h — Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/2004)

7:54 — 156.456 km/h – Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bPS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005)

7:54 — 156.456 km/h — Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/2003)

7:55 — 156.126 km/h — Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)

7:56 — 155.798 km/h — Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)

7:56 — 155.798 km/h — Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)

7:56 — 155.798 km/h — Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)

7:57 — 155.472 km/h — Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)

7:59 — 154.822 km/h — Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance‿, (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)

7:59 — 154.822 km/h — Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)

8:02 — 154.338 km/h — Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Sport‿, (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)

8:03 — 153.540 km/h — Porsche 911 GT3, 360 PS/1391 kg (sport auto 08/1999)

8:04 — 153.223 km/h — Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 07/2000)

8:05 — 152.907 km/h — Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 PS/1820 kg (sport auto 12/2002)

8:05 — 152.907 km/h — Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard‿, Walter Röhrl (WHEELS 06/2004)

8:05 — 152.907 km/h — Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355PS/1461kg (sport auto 05/2005)

8:05 — 152.907 km/h – Ruf CTR

8:06 — 152.592 km/h — Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/2002)

8:06 — 152.592 km/h — Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn

8:07 — 152.279 km/h – Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 PS/1724 kg (sport auto 06/1998)

8:09 — 151.656 km/h — Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467 kg (sport auto 08/2002)

8:09 — 151.656 km/h — Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 PS/1464 kg (sport auto 10/1999)

8:09 — 151.656 km/h — Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 PS/1590 kg (sport auto 12/1997)

8:10 — 151.114 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear feb,2005)

8:10 — 151.114 km/h — Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 PS/1567 kg (sport auto 10/1997)

8:10 — 151.347 km/h — Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 PS/650 kg (sport auto 03/2001)

8:11 — 151,274 km/h – Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1340 kg, test driver Walter Roehrl (sport auto 07/2005)

8:12 — 150.732 km/h — Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/2002)

8:12 — 150.732 km/h — Porsche 993 Turbo (sport auto 03/1997)

8:12 — 150.732 km/h — Porsche 993 Turbo works tuning (sport auto 06/1997)

8:13 — 150.426 km/h — BMW M5 (E60), 507 PS/1844 kg (sport auto 12/2004)

8:13 — 150.426 km/h — Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS/1324 kg (sport auto 05/1999)

8:13 — 150.426 km/h — Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/2004)

8:14 — 150.120 km/h – Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 PS/2049 kg (sport auto 01/2005)

8:15 — 149.818 km/h – Alpina Roadster S, 300 PS/1416 kg (sport auto 6/2005)

8:15* — 149.818 km/h — Holden GTS (2000), *estimated

8:15 — 149.818 km/h — Porsche 997 Carrera 2 (Walter Röhrl - WHEELS 06/2004)

8:15 — 149.818 km/h — Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp

8:16 — 149.516 km/h — AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 PS (sport auto 11/1997)

8:16 — 149.516 km/h — AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 PS/1557kg (sport auto 01/2005)

8:16 — 149.516 km/h — Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/2004)

8:16 — 149.516 km/h — Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX (best motoring video 14)

8:17 — 149.215 km/h — Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 PS/1775 kg (sport auto 01/2003)

8:17 — 149.215 km/h — Porsche 911 Carrera, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 06/2001)

8:17 — 149.215 km/h — Porsche 996 Carrera 2, 320 PS/1399 kg (sport auto 02/2001)

8:18 — 149.916 km/h — BMW Z8, 400PS/1651 kg (sport auto 08/2000)

8:18 — 149.916 km/h — Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (sport auto 09/2003)

8:18 — 149.916 km/h — Ferrari F355, 380 PS/1350 kg (sport auto 06/1997

http://www.caymanclub.net/cayman-cha...lap-times.html

Gustav · 17th February 2009, 16:58

Its not. A bone stock GT3RS 997 is a bit faster than a stock Mercedes E55 AMG. And a E55 AMG is significantly slower than the M5 at higher speeds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Oh ok now I remember what it was, Ranger was saying the M5 would destroy the GT3 etc. etc. I do beleive with equal drivers that the M5 is faster but I've run head to head with a modded M6 in a stock GT3 and the M6 didn't pull more than a door. The M6 had a passenger which basically negated the mod advantage. I'll see if I can dig them up but with a good driver a stock M5 is not easily faster than a GT3 with some extra fast (but not power shifting) shifting, that I can promise you.

I honestly think the GT3 is between the M5 and M6 at least up to about 140-150 mph.

EuroCarFan · 17th February 2009, 17:22

Gustav, that video shows the 7GT3RS putting about 3 car lengths on the E55AMG.

Gustav · 17th February 2009, 18:00

Yup. Ill edit my post above

But an M5 is faster than the E55so yes and M5 would be able to fend off a GT3 RS and I beleive the igher the speed the better the chance the M5 has.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EuroCarFan

Gustav, that video shows the 7GT3RS putting about 3 car lengths on the E55AMG.

Stormster · 17th February 2009, 18:15

Nice one

Shame it eneded at such low speed, the beast really comes into a league of it's own at these speeds!

M5Ranger · 18th February 2009, 02:20

M V10 that was a great list of the top lap times on "the ring".
One thing though, I thought the Dodge Viper ACR ran one of the fastest lap time? I do not see it even on the list?

Gustav the video of the 7GT3RS and the E55 AMG was a surprising outcome. I mean it was not even close. There is a big torque difference between these cars, approx. 200 lb/ft. Yet the RS pulls very hard in comparison.

Ranger

Murtaza · 18th February 2009, 02:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by M5Ranger

M V10 that was a great list of the top lap times on "the ring".
One thing though, I thought the Dodge Viper ACR ran one of the fastest lap time? I do not see it even on the list?

Gustav the video of the 7GT3RS and the E55 AMG was a surprising outcome. I mean it was not even close. There is a big torque difference between these cars, approx. 200 lb/ft. Yet the RS pulls very hard in comparison.

Ranger

That list is certainly odd

M5 at 7:52, thats 21 seconds faster then on this wikipedia list which includes the ACR Viper...

7:22.1	2009 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR	Tom Coronel	18 August 2008	Chrysler conducted test,^[1] Motor Trend confirmed, Hardcore Package option, non-stock race seat with a six-point harness, suspension adjustments,^[2] aero adjustments, video confirmed
20,832 m (68,350 ft)	7:24.3	Maserati MC12	Marc Basseng	August 2008	Evo Magazine conducted test (Discussion - Evo article)
20,832 m (68,350 ft)	7:24.7	Pagani Zonda F Clubsport	Marc Basseng	August 2008	Evo Magazine conducted test (Discussion - Evo article)
20,832 m (68,350 ft)	7:25.3	Ferrari Enzo	Marc Basseng	August 2008	Evo Magazine conducted test (Discussion - Evo article)
20,832 m (68,350 ft)	7:26.4	2009 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1	Jim Mero	27 June 2008	General Motors conducted test,^[3]^[4]^[5] base specification car with stock tires and non-stock safety equipment, video confirmed. Driver: Jim Mero, June 2008. [2nd test, Driver: Jan Magnussen, October 2008: 7:22.4 (unconfirmed)]
20,832 m (68,350 ft)	7:27.82	Pagani Zonda F Clubsport	Marc Basseng	September 2007	Pagani conducted test,^[6]^[7] semi-wet conditions^{[citation needed]}
20,600 m (68,000 ft)	7:28	Porsche Carrera GT	Walter Röhrl	2 July 2004	Autobild (07/04)^[7]
20,832 m (68,350 ft)	7:29	2009 Nissan GT-R	Toshio Suzuki	16 April 2008	Nissan Motors conducted test,^[8]^[9]^[10] base GTR with stock tires, video confirmed
20,600 m (68,000 ft)	7:32.02	2008 Porsche 911 GT2	Walter Röhrl	2007	Porsche conducted test,^[11] stock R compound tires used.^{[citation needed]}
20,832 m (68,350 ft)	7:33.6	Koenigsegg CCX	Marc Basseng	August 2008	Evo Magazine conducted test (Discussion - Evo article)
20,600 m (68,000 ft)	7:34	Koenigsegg CCR	Horst von Saurma	17 October 2005	Sport Auto (03/2006)^[12]
	7:34	Porsche 911 GT2		September 2008	Porsche conducted test,^[13] stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (68,000 ft)	7:35	Ruf Rt 12			Sport Auto (02/2008)^[14]
	7:38	Porsche 911 Turbo		September 2008	Porsche conducted test,^[13] stock vehicle with stock tires
	7:39	F430 Scuderia	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (07/2008)^[15]
20,600 m (68,000 ft)	7:40	Bugatti Veyron 16.4			'Wheels' magazine (12/2005)^{[citation needed]}
20,600 m (68,000 ft)	7:40	Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren	Klaus Ludwig		AutoBild (07/2004)^{[citation needed]}
20,600 m (68,000 ft)	7:40	Lamborghini Murcielago LP640	Giorgio Sanna		Lamborghini Autobild (01/2007)
	7:40.6	Ford GT	Markus Draper		Octane Magazine^{[citation needed]}
	7:42	Porsche 911 GT3	Walter Röhrl		Automobil (05/2006) Sport Auto (05/2006)
	7:42.99	Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06	Jan Magnussen	2005	General Motors,^[16]^[17] Motor Trend confirmed
	7:43	Porsche 911 GT3 RS			'Motor' magazine^{[citation needed]}
	7:44	Pagani Zonda S	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (02/2005)
	7:46	Porsche 911 GT2	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (06/2001)
	7:46	Lamborgini Gallardo Superleggera	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto [13]
	7:47	Porsche 911 GT3 RS	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (08/2004)
	7:47	Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto[14]
	7:47	Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (01/2007), Sport tires^{[citation needed]}
	7:49	Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06	Horst von Saurma	22 June 2007	Sport Auto^[18]
	7:49.0	Porsche 911 GT2	Chris Harris	November 2008	Drivers Republic^[19]
	7:50	BMW M3 CSL	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (08/2003)
	7:50	2009 Porsche 911 Carrera S	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (08/2008)[15], PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
	7:52	Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (11/2008)[16], apparently problems with tires and ABS
	7:54	Mercedes CLK DTM AMG			Sport Auto (03/2005)
	7:54	Nissan GT-R		September 2008	Porsche conducted test,^[13] stock vehicle with stock tires
	7:55	Caterham R500 Superlight	Robert Nearn		'EVO' magazine (07/2000)
	7:55	Ferrari F430 F1	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (01/2006)
	7:55.9	Nissan GT-R	Chris Harris	November 2008	Drivers Republic^[19]
	7:56	Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06	Dave Hill		crossedflags.com^[20]
	7:56	Honda NSX-R (NA2)	Motoharu Kurosawa		Best Motoring (08/2002), No Airbags, No ESC, No Spare tire.^{[citation needed]}
	7:56	Porsche 911 Turbo	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (06/2000)
	7:56	Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (02/2004), Sport tires^{[citation needed]}
	7:59	Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51	Dave Hill		General Motors conducted test^{[citation needed]}
	7:59	2009 Cadillac CTS-V	John Heinricy	9 May 2008	General Motors conducted test,^[21] video confirmed^[22]
	7:59	Porsche 911 Carrera S	Walter Röhrl		'Wheels' magazine (06/2004), PASM setting "Performance"^{[citation needed]}
	7:59	Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec	Dirk Schoysmans	1996	Best Motoring - Time Attack / Autocar magazine 97, stock^{[citation needed]}^[23]
	7:59	Dodge Viper SRT-10		November 2005	Motor Trend^{[citation needed]}
	8:01	Nissan Skyline GT-R R33	Motoharu Kurosawa		Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series, Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car)^{[citation needed]}
	8:02	Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series			Autobild (07/2007)
	8:03	Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005)	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (10/2005)
	8:03	Porsche 911 GT3	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (08/1999)
	8:03	Honda NSX-R (NA1)	Motoharu Kurosawa		Best Motoring (02/2006), Omit the safe equipment model: No Airbags, No ESC, No Spare tire^{[citation needed]}
	8:04	Audi R8			Sport Auto (07/2007)[17]
	8:05	BMW M3 E92	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (12/2007)[18]
	8:06	Subaru WRX STi Spec-C	Motoharu Kurosawa		Best Motoring Video 'NISMO Beast Unleashed'
	8:07	BMW Z8 E52			Autobild (06/2001)
	8:09	Audi RS4			Sport Auto (06/2006)
	8:09	BMW M6 E63	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (12/2005), Sport tires, 259 km/h speed limiter.^{[citation needed]}
	8:09	Honda NSX-R			Sport Auto (08/2002), Sport tires, suspension modification.^{[citation needed]}
	8:10	Chrysler Viper GTS	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (10/1997)
	8:10	BMW Alpina B6 S	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (05/2008)[19]
	8:10.08	Porsche Cayman S	Walter Röhrl		Sport Auto, 19 inch wheels, ceramic brakes.^{[citation needed]}
	8:11	Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX	Horst von Saurma		(Best Motoring video 14)
	8:13	BMW M5 E60	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (12/2004)
	8:13	Ferrari 355 GTB			Sport Auto (10/1994)
	8:14	BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (12/2008)[20]
	8:16.90	Renault MéganeRS R26.R	Vincent Bayle	23 June 2008	^[24] FWD record.^{[citation needed]}
	8:18	Lexus IS-F	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (9/2008)[21]
	8:22	Nissan Skyline GT-R R32	Motoharu Kurosawa		Best Motoring Video Special DVD
	8:22	BMW M3 E46	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (12/2000)
	8:22	BMW M Coupe E36/8	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (10/1998)
	8:24	2004 Subaru Impreza			Sport Auto (05/2004), Sport tires^{[citation needed]}
	8:25	Lotus Exige S	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (06/2008)[22]
	8:25	Jaguar XKR	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto
	8:25	Porsche Cayman S	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto
	8:24	Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (11/1999), Sport tires^{[citation needed]}
	8:25	Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (11/2002), Sport tires^{[citation needed]}
	8:26	Audi S5	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (01/2008)[23]
	8:26	BMW 335i E92 Coupe	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto
	8:26	Nissan 350Z	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (10/2003)
	8:28	Porsche 911 Carrera (993)	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (07/1997)
	8:29	Audi TTS Coupé	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (10/2008)[24]
	8:32	Porsche Boxster S	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (12/1999)
	8:38	Honda NSX			Sport Auto, (08/1997)
	8:39	Honda S2000	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (01/2000)
	8:39	Mazda MAZDASPEED3	Mark Ticehurst	2007	Mazda News (06/2007),^[25] Inexperienced driver.^[26]
	8:40	Chevrolet Corvette C5			Sport Auto (07/1997), automatic transmission, Crash involving civilian later in the lap.^{[citation needed]}
	8:42	Lotus Exige Mk1	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (11/2000), Sport tires^{[citation needed]}
	8:47	Honda Civic Type-R	Horst von Saurma		Sport Auto (11/2001)
	8:49	Volkswagen Golf R32			Sport Auto (09/2006)
	8:51	Ford Focus ST			Sport Auto (09/2005)
	8:53	Volkswagen Golf GTI DSG MK5			Sport Auto (11/2005)
	8:54	Vauxhall Corsa VXR			Sport Auto (04/2008)
	9:05	Ford Focus RS			Sport Auto (09/2005)

M V10 · 18th February 2009, 03:38

It´s not odd, different drivers, that´s it. I am 110% sure I wrote that BMW:s TESTdrivers did the lap, rumors say it was Hans Stuck.

M5Ranger: The list is not uppdated yet, that´s why some cars are missing.