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Old 24th August 2008, 21:08   #41
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That 7:52 time seems very fishy to me...I trust Car and Driver and they say the 09 CTS-V is the first 4 door sedan to crack the 8min 'ring time with street tires. Maybe thats the difference, street tires versus slicks?
I know I shouldn't have started this fight, dissing the E60 M5, but I just wish BMW would stop cutting corners. I love my E39 and I am a die hard BMW fan, (got an E46 coupe as well) not sure I can drive anything else. But that E60 makes me upset. What happened to the fog lights for crying out loud?! And the 6 isn't any prettier. The new 7 is soft and the X6 is weired. I just feel BMW is loosing some of its egde. At least the E90/2/3 M3 trio is fantastic. Can't wait for the next M5, hope they get it right.

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Old 24th August 2008, 22:17   #42
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That 7:52 time seems very fishy to me...I trust Car and Driver and they say the 09 CTS-V is the first 4 door sedan to crack the 8min 'ring time with street tires. Maybe thats the difference, street tires versus slicks?
I know I shouldn't have started this fight, dissing the E60 M5, but I just wish BMW would stop cutting corners. I love my E39 and I am a die hard BMW fan, (got an E46 coupe as well) not sure I can drive anything else. But that E60 makes me upset. What happened to the fog lights for crying out loud?! And the 6 isn't any prettier. The new 7 is soft and the X6 is weired. I just feel BMW is loosing some of its egde. At least the E90/2/3 M3 trio is fantastic. Can't wait for the next M5, hope they get it right.

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2009 Cadillac CTS-V - Car News/American Performance/High Performance/Hot Lists/Reviews/Car and Driver - Car And Driver
Ever the E39 cynic. Unfortunately BMW is moving on from the E39....let's hope the F10 / F12 continues along the lines of the traditions of ///M
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Old 25th August 2008, 04:39   #43
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My prediction is that the CTS-V edges out the M5 in every performance category, but just by slightly. The E60 is not the best looking BMW ever, both inside or out, but I think I prefer it much more over this CTS-V's designs. Plus Cadillac has no racing or technology heritage like BMW M, important to BMW's core/base customers.

The Cadillac will be more tune-able than an E60 M5 (for all of you guys talking about NOS, SC, and TTC your cars) and will probably return better mi/gal than the M5 (even being heavier, with one less gear and larger displacement). Also, don't all GM cars come with a 100,00 mi power train warranty in USA?

That being said, I'll be picking up a slightly used E60 M5 sometime next year for more money than a new CTS-V will cost.
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That being said, I'll be picking up a slightly used E60 M5 sometime next year for more money than a new CTS-V will cost.
Sounds good - please buy a new black on black, loaded CTS-V with the darker rims, and I'll trade you straight up for my E60 M5
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The article is up on R&T. I won't spoil the results here.
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I will...

Keep your 3-4 year old M5!
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Good article and it goes to show how awesome the M5 is. Not to make excuses, but if the M5 also had PS2's, it would've been no contest.
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Gimme a break... after all that trash talking from Bob Lutz about how the new CTS-V will "suck the doors off the [now almost 4 year old ] M5," this is the result? Hahaha. Congrats, Mr. Lutz... you're a real winner!
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I guess the M5 is still king? Thought so...
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