Hey guys, I have known Will Turner for a couple of years, he's a smart cookie and most anything he touches turns to GOLD anyways...A good business man and VERY smart.....Great to do business with. . . Nice Job Will, congrats
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Hey guys, I have known Will Turner for a couple of years, he's a smart cookie and most anything he touches turns to GOLD anyways...A good business man and VERY smart.....Great to do business with. . . Nice Job Will, congrats
He also builds great race cars. 'Enjoy watching the TMS BMW campaign in Koni Challenge Series.
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'02 M5 (Chiaretto Red Metallic w/black napa full heritage leather/wood trim/leather Euro cntr console/BSW speakers and sub) Sig series Dinan S/C'd S3 package/ Dinan S3 clutch-flywheel/Dinan high capacity oil cooler /Dinan forged aluminum wheels/Dinan SSK/Dinan - Brembo BBK/Stg 3 Dinan - JRZ suspension/monoballs/275-35-18 RA 1's all around
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The "Predator"
'02 996TT w/X50 (slate grey metallic w/full natural grey leather, small carbon package, aluminum trim pieces, exterior color painted wheels, etc, etc).
EVOMS Stage 4 (640hp/615tq)
PSS9 w/F&R H&R sways and EVOMS F&R shock tower braces
Sachs clutch and Porsche SSK
Toyo RA-1's 245/18 fronts; 305/18 rears
... Another point that I have been stuck on is this. There has been a described 50 rwhp gain from the SS headers and exhaust. I find that rather lofty.
Ranger
According to these pages from SuperSprint's Catalog (look at last page of BMW2.pdf file and pages 1, 8, and 9 from BMW3.pdf file for the M5 and M6 systems), they are getting almost 60 rwhp gain... But I don't know how accurate their results are or on which dyno machine they used
Myke, intrinsically it is not the same motor. The stock (original) motor must be sent off to Dinan and they send you another motor (the stroker).
All motors have their intrinsic characteristics, reason why same stock motors dyno differently.
If this stroker motor was built on the original stock motor then all the prior dyno results and rwhp readings would be absolutely relavent. This is not so when you switch motors.
That is my point.
Of course there is variability between stock motors. The magnitude of that variability prevents firm conclusions regarding the effects of modifications that produce minor horsepower and torque increases (since a 10-hp variation between motors can be equal to a, for example, claimed 10-hp increase from filter removal, CAI, or something similar). However, when dealing with increases of the magnitutude discussed here, the variability between the original stock motor and the stroker before it became a stroker is relatively insignificant.
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2006 M5 Silver Gray/Silverstone/Madeira Walnut
Dinan Stage 2 Suspension System
Supersprint Race exhaust with X-pipe
1998 M3 Coupe Technoviolet Track car
JRZ RS, Kirk roll bar, Racetech 4000W seats, GC sway bars, control arms, AA headers and 3" race exhaust (loud and proud), etc.
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'Not a Dinan rep, but 'been there and saw the motor being developed. Here's a good description of it from their website; including what internal components are changed: 6 Series*::*M6 (E63) 2006-2008*::*Engine Tuning*::*High Performance 5.7 Liter V-10 Engine It's definately a "core exchange" program. They sell you a completed 5.7 litre balanced and blue printed, tested on their engine dyno, motor; your 5 litre motor is returned to them.
So it is the stock motor (not your stock motor, but a stock motor) bored and stroked out...
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RIP=White 944 turbo: KKK K-27/6 turbo, upgraded intercooler, Lindsey Racing hardpipes, Autothority MAF, B&B exhaust with 4.5" oval tip, Siemens #55 fuel injectors, Lindsey Racing MaxHP custom Chip set, 3 bar fuel pressure regulator, Re-worked head and slightly overbored pistons, Spec Lightened 6 puck stage 3 clutch, Quaif torque biase differential, Apexi AVC Type-R Electronic boost controller, HKS type-1 turbo timer, Shimmed wastegate, Champion Motorsports adj. bypass valve, Weltmeister front and rear sway bars, Weltmeister strut tower brace, Koni adj. "yellows", unknown springs, Turbo Twist rims, Kumho Ecsta Supra tires... And a couple of more unknown mods...
So it is the stock motor (not your stock motor, but a stock motor) bored and stroked out...
That is correct. Although, Dinan can take your original motor and apply the conversion to it if you're dead set on keeping your serialized engine block with your car.
That is correct. Although, Dinan can take your original motor and apply the conversion to it if you're dead set on keeping your serialized engine block with your car.
+1. 'Downside is their engine "build" capacity is 1 - 2 per month. Depending on backlog queue, your motor could sit there for quite some time, waiting it's "turn". Obviously, your car would be laid up for that time, as well.
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'02 M5 (Chiaretto Red Metallic w/black napa full heritage leather/wood trim/leather Euro cntr console/BSW speakers and sub) Sig series Dinan S/C'd S3 package/ Dinan S3 clutch-flywheel/Dinan high capacity oil cooler /Dinan forged aluminum wheels/Dinan SSK/Dinan - Brembo BBK/Stg 3 Dinan - JRZ suspension/monoballs/275-35-18 RA 1's all around
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The "Predator"
'02 996TT w/X50 (slate grey metallic w/full natural grey leather, small carbon package, aluminum trim pieces, exterior color painted wheels, etc, etc).
EVOMS Stage 4 (640hp/615tq)
PSS9 w/F&R H&R sways and EVOMS F&R shock tower braces
Sachs clutch and Porsche SSK
Toyo RA-1's 245/18 fronts; 305/18 rears
Clear on the subject. I have been informed by another member ( Chris550 ) about the known statistical variation of E60/E63 motors and how significant it may be.
I am an idiot and know nothing but it seemed to me to be comparing apples to oranges regarding the motors.
Ranger
__________________ 2006 M5 Alpine White/Silverstone Upgrades: Engine: SS headers, Evosport power pulley, ASR ECU remap,
ASR custom air intakes, Dinan throttle bodies, ASR Engineering NOS kit Exhaust: ASR Engineering Gen. II exhaust. Suspension: H & R sport spings,Dinan front/rear CF strut braces. Wheels: HRE P40 w/ 275/30/20 and 305/25/20. Exterior: Vorsteiner CF vented hood, Vorsteiner CF front spoiler,
ACS rear deck lid spoiler, front kidney grill & side gills in CF. Brakes: Brembo GT kit, (F) 6 piston monobloc calipers w/ 16"
rotors & (R) 4 piston monbloc calipers w/ 15" rotors. Interior: ACS titanium CF trim. Dyno results straight motor 460 rwhp, on nitrous 581 rwhp/461 lb/ft rw torque.
ASR TT S85 FULL ENGINE BUILD COMING
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I am an idiot and know nothing but it seemed to me to be comparing apples to oranges regarding the motors.
Ranger
I beg to differ. Your vast experience with high performance cars speaks for itself. I think you make interesting points that lead to lively discussion and inspire some to use their grey matter and think. The passion in your posts is palpable and never dull, and it is good to have people like you keeping people like me on their toes.
Warranty issues aside, I do think that the Dinan stroker with headers, combined with ASR exhaust, CAI, and nitrous would be unbelievable and "the best of both worlds." Perhaps Abid can convince someone in South Beach to go for it.
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2006 M5--Sapphire black/sepang Dinan: free flow exhaust, Stage 3 engine software, high flow throttle bodies, high flow air mass meter/intake Assemblies, stage 2 suspension, 13% underdrive crankshaft pulley, 5.7 liter stroker engine (I think I am finally done)
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2006 M5 Alpine White/Silverstone
DEPOSIT IN FOR AN ALLOCATION
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