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Got smoked by a viper!

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#1 ·
As the headline goes last night coming home from the gym i was messing with a viper. It was me and another board member, we started on a rolling start and were kind of playing around and to my surprise we actually kept up. Now here comes the real story i lined up with the viper and did a first gear rolling start. As soon as i shifted into second the monster torque advantage of the viper sent him crusing by me to at least a 2 car lead. he shut it down at about 80 but i had noticed he was not pulling as badly. Afterward we talked and he said he only had exhaust done to his car, He was right that thing was loud especially going by me with my windows down. My question is 1. has anybody here ever raced a viper? If so what was the outcome, and 2. what would happen after 100? would he stop pulling? would i catch up?

Thanks in advance
:cheers:
 
#2 ·
Back in 2005 I raced a Viper and it was slightly faster. Say half a carlength to 160 mph:
The sixth race: M5 vs. Dodge Viper SRT-10 Roadster (MY 2003)



The Viper is a very rare car in Sweden. This car was probably the first of the new generation to arrive in Sweden. It was imported to Sweden from the USA. You can see it´s an import since it has side-pipes as well as a small numberplate frame, typical for US-imported vehicles. As with many of the other cars I had to ask if we should compare the cars and the Viper driver obviously thought a third V-10 car to join the race was an excellent idea. We also did rolling starts and my impression was that the Viper was clearly faster up to around 150 km/h but over 150 km/h the M5 seemed to gain the distance fast to almost eliminate the distance lost in lower speeds. It is my hunch that the Viper clearly has a aerodynamic disadvantage and the M5 with it's aerodynamics and 7-speed gearbox makes up for the difference in torque.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]M5 Dodge Viper SR-10

507 HP 500 HP
520 Nm 710 Nm
Cw 0,3 Cw: Mail me to gustav@bmwm5.com

The Vipers top speed is 306 km/h.
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Almost all of these races were filmed form within both the M5 and the competitor cars as well from outside. But in addition to this I have taken quotes from the M5 Messageboard as well as other forums (Porscheforum, RS6-forum and Mercedes forum) with members who witnessed this race, so that our impressions above can be put into light as well as in comparison. It is safe to say that the new V-10 M5 impressed all of us.


Below is from the co-organizer of the event, Erik B:


"The runway was about 950 m (had to share the other half with airplanes)

I invited some friends and their cars:

Lamborghini Gallardo...
RUF CTR... (Yellowbird, except blue)
Porsche 996 Turbo Techart... (PV996TT's)
Porsche 997 Carrera S...
BMW M5 E60...
BMW M5 E39...
Dodge Viper SRT10...
MB E55 AMG
MB E55 T AMG...
MB C32 AMG
Audi RS4 Stage 2...

The RUF is in a league of its own! Clearly the fastest car of the day. The owner was kind enough to let me go a couple of times in his car, insane!

We ran 2 cars side by side, mainly doing running starts from different speeds.
The BMW M5 is very fast! I think a stock 996 T will have big problems. PV996TT has about 520 hp in his car. He was a bit faster, but the difference is not huge. Scary!

I don't agree that the new M5 humiliated the E55 not the E55T, but it is faster. I'd say the Gallardo is faster as well, similar to PV996TT's black beast.

I drove the new M5 as well. It doesn't feel as fast as it is, I woneder how many people who will lose their license in this baby...?"




From the RS4 driver (I did not race the Audi RS4) (post number one)

We had a great day fooling around at the airstrip, the weather was perfect (we even got a suntan ).
Thank you for this arrangement!

The M5 and Gallardo were the main attraction. I think most of us were impressed by the M5 performance, (even with 4 passengers it almost ran tie with the gallardo)!!!


<big><big><big><big>Post number two (he is a passenger in this actual picture):</big></big></big></big>




No problems doing a controlled slide with four persons in the car. Thanks to JW for an excellent picture.

http://www.m5board.com/articles.php?id=34&page=3
 
#3 ·
Thanks Gustav,

Thats about what i thought would happen. The torque on that car is ridiculous i have driven quite a few of them and they do feel extremely fast. I guess im going to have to ask this guy for a rematch up to 170-180 and see what happens.
 
#4 ·
That car was wicked, I just saw it sliding out of the gym and I was like, there is no way we will be able to catch up with that guy. There is no waayyy he only has exhaust, we should approach him and tell him to drop the ball and tell us.

A very fast car nonetheless plus 2 guys and one a fat fawk... That was embarrasing :M5launch: ... I really thought we had a better chance... As I told you, my brother raced one just like that (black tho, always around my way to work) and he spanked the hell out of it... Even the owner acknowledged...

Oh well Turnpike next time...or better yet 836 extension... Ill scout...:cool:
 
#6 ·
We have no chance. It has a V10 right? How can we hang w/ that? ;)

Seriously though, they are very fast. You can occasionally catch one off guard and make it a driver's race, but the Viper definitely is the faster car.
 
#7 ·
Dodge Troll!


J/K!!!:hihi:
 
#10 ·
I think im going to pay a visit to ASR! I cannot stand being beat. I just want to have my cake and eat it too. Why wouldnt anybody want the same? :M5launch::applause:
 
#11 ·
Good run Walter/George! I wish you guys had it on video! What's the weather like in Miami! I need to come back down and visit!
 
#12 ·
Yea man come on down lets throw a party miami style! In fact im going on a cruise in a month bring your wife we'll have a blast. The weather here is on and off one minute raining, and the next blaring sunshine and heat. Nevertheless i was able to fit in a good run.
 
#13 ·
if your down here in miami call ASR abid will make you walk that viper!!! i recently finsihed up the stage 3 package and its insane....with the NOS its so crazy they never know what hit them...i personally just have it armed all the time like Juan (M5 Ranger). whats cool is that it only uses the NOS when its full throttle so its like something i cant describe. I think anyone who has it can agree. and put yourself down for the carbon fiber CAI that i got the chance to be the first m6 to test it out..I didnt want to give it back..lol
 
#14 ·
Wuddup Quentin, nice talking to you again, COME DOWN!!! even tho weather is sucky lately, we'll have a blast neways...

Walter as always, losing to every other car on the streets... All Im waiting is for the dreaded call "a honda beat me dood"... Just then I'll stop hanging out with him...:thumbsup:
 
#18 ·
now i remember yeah dude your right wait until you get the m6!

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and then they will fear you....
By the way where in miami are you located? i think i remeber seeing a post where you said you were by cutler ridge on the m6 side of the board. I work at world ford kendall right on us1. If you are down south im amazed ive never seen you passing by. BTW we should swap info because we do quite a few meets down here and across south florida. Just ask juan we have done a few meets with him as well. It would be nice to get all the m's together again, its been a while.
 
#21 ·
LOL unfortunately he was the one with the passenger and yes i was on empty!:eek: I guess its time to get to modding and show him whos boss.
 
#20 ·
Run the juice and the Viper will be wondering "what happenned".

The new ASR intakes will be outrageous.

M5Ranger
 
#22 · (Edited)
Stock Vipers and stock Z06's will EAT YOU for lunch !!! your driving a LOAD with NO TORQUE......get over it !!!
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.You Guys KILL ME,.....I'll show him I'll MOD my car....well woopie for you...they kill the M5 in stock form.
 
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#23 ·
With all due respect UFH what the hell is your problem? I know you consider yourself one of the resident experts, and from time to time do post some very informative and extremely useful posts. However i have noticed that the overwhelming majority of your posts sound like personal attacks or are extremely negative or derogatory to some or all of the posts. I guess maybe you feel you have earned the right to be arrogant on this board since u have 4000+ posts and i dont blame you, However i think u need to learn to tone down your smart @ss remarks to some of the members on this board. I happen to be a M enthusiast and yes i know those are faster cars to begin with, but whats wrong with asking about what it takes to meet or beat the acceleration of these world class vehicles? I look at this board as a bunch of friends hanging around and shooting the crap. And just like pulling for your hometown sports team whats wrong with wanting to be better than the other team even if its a longshot? Yes i know u can dump alot less money into some of these cars and have extraordinary performance but what you can never add to these cars is the refinement and total luxury/technological marvels that are achieved with the m5. So again i ask whats wrong with having your cake and eating it too? I simply want to have the best of both worlds. That being said i suggest you find a way to tone down your replies because you are an expert at taking a perfectly good thread and spiriling it completely out of context all while puttng your own negative spin on everything. Yes i know this is a public forum and everyone has a right to comment but there is a certain degree of commom courtesy that apparently does not apply to you. You must remember i did not contact you and ask for YOUR opinion i only posted to share my experience with the board. So i leave you with a taste of your own medicine and if you dont like it too bad. get over it !!!:byee55amg
 
#25 ·
You happen to know if the viper you raced was one of the new ones? I believe they come 600hp/600trq and its an monster with a ups exhaust note bur bur bur puf .. Fast straught line but its a handful to drive , unlike the m5. roads got to be perfect or else the tail like to come around. Maybe take him to a bumpy road and have a quick run hehe. Stock for stock I belive the new viper would win but if it was an older one , you have a chance say from 100 mph roll.
 
#29 ·
you know I'm not sure if it was one of the new ones or not. he goes to my gym so I'm going to have to ask him. But I'm almost sure its one of the 500 hp. Ones.
 
#30 ·
LOL trust me I'm not a troll I have quite a few people that can confirm I'm a real member. Just look at my previous posts.
 
#32 · (Edited)
I have both--actually 1 M5 and 2 Vipers. I have had all 3 generations of Viper, a 95, an 01, an 05 and an 06. I have raced Vipers at VIR but have not raced the M5--but driven it at speed.

The M would have probably taken my Gen 1--95 Viper, but it would get blown away by my other 3--just a fact. Apples and oranges. These cars are very primitive and have tremendous front end torque. As I said before the M reminds me of a refined Viper in some respects. If I am driving for fun and the trip is under an hour--I take a Viper--if longer I cruise in the M. Also, the Viper gets ridculous attention which is not always a good thing.

The M would have taken my 05 Vette and 06 XLR--V. I doubt it will take my 09 CTS-V (on order) I also doubt my CTS-V will be built as well.
 
#36 ·
I would also add rather than take the $2600 enema the dealer was suggesting I had my Viper tech install the timesert. He is one the best Viper techs in the country . After he finished, I told him to keep the M a couple days and monitor the oil. I also told him be sure to engage the M button. Now this is a guy who has driven a lot of tricked out Vipers (and done a lot of the tricking out --he installs Paxton SCs on Vipers among other things)

I said "what do you think?" (about the M) He said , "man, that car is a blast!!" He was also impressed with the quality.:cheers:
 
#39 ·
Oh you guys, some of you.....relax for god sakes I'm only saying what we all know anyways.....The M5 is a great car for what it is and some just get so up tight and involved when they get beaten buy another brand......so what ?? All cars are different all car are made for different purposes...and for different people....All as I EVER say is MY OPINION and what I feel, after all this is an open forum and I really don't step on anyones toes or kick them in the balls...I try just to cast FACTs as i do...Please relax, take a chill pill, don't get all worked up over my opinions......I am just trying to help everyone with my 40+ years of automotive Building and repair, don't forget what one person likes another hates.....take it all with a grain of salt.....I love my M5 and I know its limitations...I don't go out and challenge a super car that I know will blow me away....why should I ??? But if you want to thats your fun...go for it..and stop your CRYING.....Come over to my house have a beer and a burger and a swim, we'll talk about it !!! I love this board and all of you guys.......SO FRUCK OFF........
 
#40 ·
UFH you kill me with your posts! I know you have great knowledge about cars and almost everything with a motor but i felt i just had to relieve myself lol! I guess im just gonna have to learn to expect answers from you kinda like Paul Sr. on American Choppers. No worries paulie, all is well that ends well.:cheers::thumbsup:
 
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#41 ·
You all guys need to hug (and grab each others' arse...eewww) and then have a beer while waiting at a bikini car wash...:biggrinbounce:

Count me in if you guys decide to go to the car wash, about the arse grabbing...mehh...

cherrsagai:15:
 
#47 ·
Just be glad there aren't any *** grabbing smiley face icons. :hihi:
 
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