Go Back   The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com) > BMW M5, M5 Touring, M6 and Z8 Forums > E60 M5 and E61 M5 Touring Discussion

E60 M5 and E61 M5 Touring Discussion 2005- Advertiser's Forum

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 5th June 2008, 01:01   #1
ASR Engineering
Member, P500, DSC On (>600)
 
ASR Engineering's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Miami

Garage: M5 Black

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 25
Thanked 300 Times in 144 Posts
ASR Engineering CAI Dyno Results

After months of testing and R&D we have completed dynotesting on our prototype CAI for the E60 M5. The first dyno sheet will show the differences between a bone stock E60 M5 with charcoal filters vs. ASR CAI on the same exact vehicle back to back. The second dyno will show the same vehicle with charcoal filters removed vs. ASR CAI also back to back.

On the first dyno you will see a peak gain of 22whp and 13rwt. Now look at the second sheet without charcoal filters. You will see a peak 12whp gain and 15rwt. Most importantly look at the 4k mark on the run with no charcoal filters. We gained a very strong 20whp and an astounding 27rwt. The ambient temperature on the dyno was 96.26+/- 2 degrees during the time it took to change the intake, the relative humidity was 30%.

As everyone knows, the aiflow volume from a fan in the dyno room is nowhere near real world conditions on the road or highway so we decided to put it to the test. We took two factory bone stock cars with charcoal filters removed and ran almost 10 passes back to back from 2000rpm in second gear to redline in 5th. Both cars were virtually dead even depending on driver error. Then we ran one car bone stock charcoal filters removed vs the other car with ASR CAI. Both vehicles were the same with the same drivers. Starting from 2000prm 2nd gear to redline in 5th gear. Completely different outcome, the ASR CAI car got almost a 1/4 car by the end of second, end of third 3/4's of car, end of fourth almost 1.5 cars, and by the end of fifth almost 2 cars and still pulling. Also, virtually the same outcome everytime with about 10 passes. (Unfortunately, the only safe test road in the area does not permit us to go beyond the redline in fifth, just not long enough.) We will try to run again, but this time on video.

In conclusion, we've already logged almost 500miles city and expressway through rain and Miami's extremely hot and humid climate with no overheating, CEL's, or faults of anykind. We will log about another 500 miles before completion of the roadtesting phase, along with more dyno testing to see if we can extract more power. We believe the ASR CAI will produce even further gains with an ECU flash. After the roadtesting and final dyno testing phase is complete with no issues, we will begin production and set pricing and availibilty. For the final product we're working on a blackchrome powder coat that looks absolutely amazing and much more asthetically pleasing. We will also be test fitting this system on the E63 M6 and making adjustments, if any, to fit both vehicles. Stay tuned for the group buy upon release!

Almost forgot to mention my gratitude and how thankful I am we have such great customers to lend us their vehicles for testing purposes. Thanks again Danny and Jorge!
Attached Thumbnails
ASR Engineering CAI Dyno Results-asr-e60-m5-cai-dyno-runs_0001.jpg  

ASR Engineering CAI Dyno Results-asr-e60-m5-cai-dyno-runs_0002.jpg  


Last edited by ASR Engineering; 5th June 2008 at 01:09.
ASR Engineering is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ASR Engineering For This Useful Post:
DY1103 (5th June 2008)
Old 5th June 2008, 01:10   #2
DY1103
Addicted Member (>300 posts)
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Garage: 2006 M5 IB

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 37
Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts
OK, what is the pricing, and let me know when they are ready to be ordered!!!!!

Also Abid,

One question, If i already have software for my current set up with headers, pullies, cat back exhaust system, and K&N CAI, would i need to reflash my ECU with your system? Please advise. Thanks
__________________
Current: 2006 E60 M5 Interlaglos blue

http://www.twcompetition.com

Last edited by DY1103; 5th June 2008 at 01:15.
DY1103 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 5th June 2008, 01:16   #3
DY1103
Addicted Member (>300 posts)
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Los Angeles

Garage: 2006 M5 IB

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 37
Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts
Also, ive noticed, why with the CAI does the car run leaner compared to stock?
DY1103 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 5th June 2008, 02:32   #4
My55
Senior Member (>500)
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: sd

Garage: 550

Sales Feedback: (0)

Thanks: 90
Thanked 30 Times in 24 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DY1103 View Post
Also, ive noticed, why with the CAI does the car run leaner compared to stock?
Because you added more air but need software corrected for CAI to add fuel.


Topic note: Thank you for taking the time to do a write up with comparisons of different vehicles looks promising
My55 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 5th June 2008, 03:44   #5
Genesismotoring
Member, Sport: On DSC: On (>100 posts)
 
Genesismotoring's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Seattle, WA
Age: 33

Garage: 2008 M5 Space Gray

Sales Feedback: (0)

Thanks: 32
Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts
Send a message via AIM to Genesismotoring
Impressive numbers . I appreciate your participation on the board and thoroughness in product development with the CAI Once again thank you for the thorough updates!
__________________
20x9 + 20x11 HRE 790-R, PZERO NERO 255mm + 305mm tires, MOTON Clubsport Suspension, Custom Spec Eibach Springs, RPI Scoops + BMC Filters, Charcoal Filters removed, Evosport Pulley, PIAA H.I.D Bulbs, Angel iBright V3's, Black Kindeys, Black Side Grills

2007 AUDI RS4 (Sold)
Gruppe-M Carbon Intake, Milltek Full Exhaust, KW V3 Coilovers, 20" DPE S20 Wheels, Yokohama Advan 275/30/20 (F/R)

1999 Nissan Skyline GTR R34 (Sold)
19x11" HRE C20's, Pirelli 295/30/19 (F/R), Brembo 8-Piston Brake (F) Brembo 4-Piston Brakes (R), Top Secret Carbon Diffusers (F/R), Mines Carbon Trunk Spoiler, Mines Carbon Driveshaft, GReddy Twin Turbo Kit, Tomei Valvetrain + Cams, GReddy 2.7-Liter Stroker, Do-Luck Cage + Bracing, Ohlins Coilovers, Status Racing Carbon GT Seats, Nismo Gauge Cluster + a whole lot more...

1994 Supra Turbo
19x10 + 19x13 HRE 540-R Wheels, Pirelli 275 + 355mm tires, Stoptech Big Brakes, GReddy T-78 Single Turbo, Ferrea Valvetrain, HKS Cams, Veilside Intake Manifold, Blitz 1000cc injectors, Full Metal Widebody, Exedy Carbon Clutch, HKS Coilovers + a whole lot more...
Genesismotoring is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 5th June 2008, 03:47   #6
kwan
Member, Sport: On DSC: Off
 
kwan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Houston

Garage: 2008 M5 Space Grey

Sales Feedback: (0)

Thanks: 29
Thanked 26 Times in 22 Posts
Thanks Abid for the comparo. This looks very promising, especially the torque increase.
__________________
Mods:
Exhaust: Evosport Section 1 Race Pipes + Sport Muffler
Engine: RPI Scoops, BMC Filters, Charcoal Filter Removal, RPI Pulleys
Suspension: H&R Springs
MIscellaneous: Valentine 1 Radar detector hardwired.
kwan is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 5th June 2008, 06:34   #7
G ///McGregor K
m5board.comoholic (>1000 posts)
 
G ///McGregor K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Charleston, SC

Garage: '08 M5 Space Gray

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 96
Thanked 151 Times in 119 Posts
Wow, that's very impressive! Is an ECU tune imperative with this product?
__________________
2008 Space Gray/Black Full Merino Leather/Alum. trim
Loaded - every option (minus heated steering wheel)
Interior:Hardwired Valentine One with Concealed Display, Blinder Xtreme M25 (J16) Laser Jammer, Bimmian Interior Xenon Lighting Kit and ///M Racing Pedals
Exterior: Hartge Front Spoiler Lip, Hartge Rear Diffuser, Vorsteiner Vented and Domed Hood (Double-Sided CF), Hamann Roof Spoiler, H&R Springs and 15% Tint
"Performance": ASR Cold Air Intake, RPI GT Section 3 Muffler, Custom Fabbed Straight-Pipe Section I, Evosport Power Pulley and Hybrid Rear Badge

G ///McGregor K is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 5th June 2008, 06:50   #8
Cosmos
M5 Guru (>2000 posts)
 
Cosmos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: So Cal

Garage: has lots of porn

Sales Feedback: (3)

Thanks: 202
Thanked 256 Times in 195 Posts
Lean= more power than rich....to the point when it runs too lean and damages the engine.
__________________
"Motion does not equal progress"...Cos
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium...
Cosmos is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 5th June 2008, 08:02   #9
ASR Engineering
Member, P500, DSC On (>600)
 
ASR Engineering's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Miami

Garage: M5 Black

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 25
Thanked 300 Times in 144 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmos View Post
Lean= more power than rich....to the point when it runs too lean and damages the engine.
Running too lean will cause engine damage or engine failure. In this particular case though, we are no where near that level of being lean. Keep in mind we also monitor each cylinder's overall duration of combustion and quality of combustion through the ionic module datalog. The a/f graph with our CAI is extremely safe.

Lastly, you will not require an ecu re-flash for our CAI. The factory ecu is very aggressive at attenuating certain parameters within reason. As I've said before though, certain company's will try to upsell their customers with ecu re-flashes that are unecassary for a minor mod. Don't be fooled by this gimick. Although I believe a reflashed ecu will give additional gains when used in conjunction with our CAI, it is not necassary.

Last edited by ASR Engineering; 5th June 2008 at 08:06.
ASR Engineering is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 5th June 2008, 08:55   #10
M5Ranger
M5 Guru (>2000 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Miami,FL

Garage: 2006 M5 Alpine White

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 204
Thanked 542 Times in 327 Posts
Abid allow me to say to you, great results!! This is not surprising. I know your work and I know how you have taken care of my M5.
Your call this afternoon to inform me of the dyno results was greatly appreciated. The results are a true reflection of all your efforts and years of dedication to the BMW brand.

This will be a great mod as all the tests will confirm. For me there was never a doubt.

For all the members who may have doubts. I will tell you Abid is a great person and friend. There isn't one cell in his body to be deceptive or misleading.

Great job and I can't wait to have mine and the new exhaust.

M5Ranger...Juan
__________________
2006 M5 Alpine White/Silverstone (I miss it)
2007 GT3RS ORANGE / BLACK
2006 M5 BLACK / BLACK
M5Ranger is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
M6 Kelleners / Schrick Cams, Active Autowerke CAM ECU, Supersprint X-Pipe & Mufflers KeithTa E60 M5 and E61 M5 Touring Discussion 73 19th January 2009 06:42
ASR Engineering NOS Setup [m5board.com Sponsor] SBM6 M6 E63 Group Buy and Sponsor Discussion and Offerings 23 25th October 2007 18:23
Greetings from newbie and DMS remap dyno results as well!!! ScottyB E60 M5 and E61 M5 Touring Discussion 21 8th January 2007 22:35
Dyno Results of 3 M5's... FamilyM5 E39 M5 and E52 Z8 Discussion 25 6th November 2001 07:26
Dyno results - Andy's M5 AndyMenard E39 M5 and E52 Z8 Discussion 29 27th November 2000 17:51

Loading...
eXTReMe Tracker

All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:47.


Everything Copyright 2000-2008. Do not use ANYTHING from this site without written permission. All images, graphics, sound files, video files and text appearing on this web site are the exclusive property of m5board.com and are protected under international copyright laws. All images, graphics, sound files, video files and text on this site are for on-screen and on-site viewing and listening only. No part of this web site may be reproduced, copied, saved, stored, manipulated, or used in any form for personal or commercial purposes without the prior written permission of m5board.com. Use of any image or graphic as the basis for another photographic concept or illustration is a violation of the copyright. Any copyright infringement will be prosecuted to the full extent of federal and international copyright laws. M5board.com is an enthusiast board and we don't condone any dangerous activity. Our airfield events are completely safe based on years of experience, we conduct them during clear visibility with mature participants that have several years of experience with high-performance automobiles, large unobstructed run-off zones on sealed off private former military airbases and we clearly mark the braking zones. If inexperienced with high speed driving we do not recommend organizing your own event but attending a high-performance driving school. The use of the term "BMW" on this site is for reference only, and does not imply any connection between m5board.com and BMW AG or BMW North America.
Page generated in 0.18421 seconds with 12 queries