Supercar Shootout in Sweden 2008 (III) 4th July: Ferrari 599 vs Porsche 911 Turbo - Page 15

Mr. Vroom · 28th May 2008, 15:21

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Originally Posted by holmesmd

Don't worry guys. These events will always have their doubters, conspiracy theorists, and skeptics. All you need to appreciate these events are working eyes and an open mind!

Yep, there are a lot of doubters for sure.... on just about every car forum, except this one.

I have an open mind, a pair of peepers, and fairly good hearing too!!! So, referring back to the Gallardo Spyder vs M6 race it is extremely easy to dismiss it as a joke. To start a race in a G, in 2nd gear at around 30mph is ludicrous. The Gallardo started way behind its power curve, as any knowledgeable car person would know. The driver blew the race.

The vbox is not a complicated machine, and it would add a lot of legitimacy to the event.

btw, I own a M5 and know exactly how fast the car is because...... I vboxed it!!!

Gustav · 28th May 2008, 15:23

We did more races vs Galalrdo Spyder and also vs Gallardo SE 520 HP

Stay tuned

However, I could agree wiht you that starting on 2nd gear seems fishy, esp. when he had the 4WD for the grip, so grip problems is out of the equation for the Gallardo in this case.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vroom

Yep, there are a lot of doubters for sure.... on just about every car forum, except this one.

I have an open mind, a pair of peepers, and fairly good hearing too!!! So, referring back to the Gallardo Spyder vs M6 race it is extremely easy to dismiss it as a joke. To start a race in a G, in 2nd gear at around 30mph is ludicrous. The Gallardo started way behind its power curve, as any knowledgeable car person would know. The driver blew the race.

The vbox is not a complicated machine, and it would add a lot of legitimacy to the event.

btw, I own a M5 and know exactly how fast the car is because...... I vboxed it!!!

JIDEX · 28th May 2008, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Gustav

It is funny that there is never any disparities at the actual races, but only afterwards

I know exactly what you're talking about
A friend of mine who go out on high speed runs/races with me made this observation after I beat a Gallardo - no disagreement by the racers- but tons of disgagreement by people who watched the video........

" The mind can't handle what the eyes are observing"

JIDEX · 28th May 2008, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vroom

To start a race in a G, in 2nd gear at around 30mph is ludicrous. The Gallardo started way behind its power curve, as any knowledgeable car person would know.

You're quite right
It should've started in 1st gear
I've raced my fair share of Gallardos' and they are pretty fast from a 30mph rolling start in 1st gear but the M6 still walks away bythe time the Gallardo gets from 4th to 5th
IMO the G's don't have the top end raw pulling power up top- maybe its the AWD system - great down low not so great up top

The result sof this race would be closer if the G started in 1st but it would still have lost by 150-170mph by more than a car length

Plus was the driver forced to start in 2nd? He must've known his car- so his mistake- but he still lost fair and square

Go as fast as you can as quick as you can

This seems to be the theme in these vids and I like what I see - win/lose for the M's

Gustav · 28th May 2008, 15:36

It also looks like the BMW M6 continued to gain even at speeds, right

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Originally Posted by JIDEX

You're quite right
It should've started in 1st gear
I've raced my fair share of Gallardos' and they are pretty fast from a 30mph rolling start in 1st gear but the M6 still walks away bythe time the Gallardo gets from 4th to 5th
IMO the G's don't have the top end raw pulling power up top- maybe its the AWD system - great down low not so great up top

The result sof this race would be closer if the G started in 1st but it would still have lost by 150-170mph by more than a car length

Plus was the driver forced to start in 2nd? He must've known his car- so his mistake- but he still lost fair and square

Go as fast as you can as quick as you can

This seems to be the theme in these vids and I like what I see - win/lose for the M's

Mr. Vroom · 28th May 2008, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Gustav

But the rules are easy, go as fast as you can

Exactly!! I am not knocking your event, which is awesome, just saying that sometimes people read a little too much into the results.

Gustav · 28th May 2008, 15:48

True. But eventhoug the stat was bad it seems like the M6 was putting on distance also at speed.

In anycasem it was pretty clear that the Ferrari 599 was pretty faster than the M5

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Originally Posted by Mr. Vroom

Exactly!! I am not knocking your event, which is awesome, just saying that sometimes people read a little too much into the results.

holmesmd · 28th May 2008, 16:11

Ok the driver of the Gallardo was not good!!.....OK....? I wasn't there to drive , he was. Perhaps you can contact the guy and ask him why he doesn't know his car?! It just always seems to me that when certain cars don't win when folks think they are supposed to, we change the metric to focus on the driver!? It's a package deal! Car + driver! We are certainly all advanced enough to understand that so I think it kinda goes without saying. You can say that about any race can't you? I think if I brought my car to an international media event, I might be certain that I knew how to drive my car. I am sure you would all do the same. If some guys are OK with being humiliated because they don't drive reasonably well, that is their problem IMO. The results are still plenty meaningful to me.

A.G · 28th May 2008, 16:51

For those who want to have numbers on a paper , buy a car magazine there you can look and compare all possible cars

I think this event should be as it is , car against car without any "Santa Pod " equipment

Gustav · 28th May 2008, 17:03

That is a point as wel; you race with what you have and the knowledge you have of your car. Oh, BTW was the Alpina B7 Turbo or the BMW M5 E39 Superspritn faster

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Originally Posted by A.G

For those who want to have numbers on a paper , buy a car magazine there you can look and compare all possible cars

I think this event should be as it is , car against car without any "Santa Pod " equipment