Agreed, good points. I'll admit I don't know the HUD that much, Darren and the rest of you guys would. I just think any logical enthusiast knows when they're hitting the rev limiter hard and the way a motor sounds and what the car does is very noticible, not subtle.
Regardless, you're a good example you saw what it was doing and changed your shifting. I'm just not sure how Q would do so well for a stock car, I mean a 117 traps are not gonna happen if you're hitting the rev limiter on every shift, from what he said on M3forum, his car was fast for a stocker.
I've hit the rev limiter quite a few times on my SC'd M3, with the SC'r it gets there fast, lol, but it's very noticible.
I think we're going in circles anyway, no hard feelings, Darren, Mark, Scott you guys can have the last word.
I see you're in Socal Marshall, let me know if you're down for any runs. I might be at that meet on the 20th in Huntington Beach as well.
I like the HUD a lot. I couldn't imagine the car without it. The bad
thing about it though is that it doesn't give you your rpms in a numerical
form. I'm not sure why they opted for the color ramp. I'd rather see
numbers. Perhaps they figured it's easier to register color vs numbers?
I've been trying to reteach myself to drive by tach and sound again.
Sound is a bit tricky as I've been modifying my car so much everything
seems to change.
Over the next few months I'm looking to do several more mods. I've been
looking for a car as a baseline for some 30-xxx runs. I was planning
on "dragging" Kenny up or meet him halfway somewhere for some
safe runs. I'm pretty sure he's been itching to get a shot at me
since I smack him around a bit on the dyno! Maybe we can all get
together for some comparison runs.
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Holy Jesus , Mary and Jeseph... you've turned on me too?
Mark,
Not turning on you man, just stating up the facts. The Ford GT is a great car and all but it basically looks faster than it is. Also I have some video documentation to back up my info.
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Hope to see you on 20th. I have met Drew and would be fun for you to run against him, Mike,and others.
You MUST find some ways/whatever excuse to be at the meet on 20th.
P.S. About the HUD, it's nice to have on daily driving. But when something on the line or nerve kick in, it's so useless(at least for me). It so easy to bounce of the rev. When rely to HUD, it's either too early or too late when shifting. Sometime even analog tach, if you try to shift at 8200-8250rpm, usually it's too late and bounce off the rev too that why I raised mine to 8500rpm to spare/minimize my error.
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... I was planning
on "dragging" Kenny up or meet him halfway somewhere for some
safe runs. I'm pretty sure he's been itching to get a shot at me
since I smack him around a bit on the dyno! Maybe we can all get
together for some comparison runs
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I like the HUD a lot. I couldn't imagine the car without it. The bad
thing about it though is that it doesn't give you your rpms in a numerical
form. I'm not sure why they opted for the color ramp. I'd rather see
numbers. Perhaps they figured it's easier to register color vs numbers?
I've been trying to reteach myself to drive by tach and sound again.
Sound is a bit tricky as I've been modifying my car so much everything
seems to change.
Over the next few months I'm looking to do several more mods. I've been
looking for a car as a baseline for some 30-xxx runs. I was planning
on "dragging" Kenny up or meet him halfway somewhere for some
safe runs. I'm pretty sure he's been itching to get a shot at me
since I smack him around a bit on the dyno! Maybe we can all get
together for some comparison runs.
Sounds like fun, let's plan on it. I know Kenny is down in San Diego, where are you in Socal?
I'm simply going off what Q told me and I could feel the car sort of stall out at the higher RPM.
We're just relaying what Q told me and what I experienced in the car.
I on the other hand use the analog tach to switch gears and never use the head except in basic driving, if even then.
Regardless, given the fact I was there and participated I'm in a much better position to actually tell you what happened compared to your ability (or inability) to infer what is happening in the video.
Keep living in your dream world Drew, it's obviously a beautiful state of mind for you.
Cheers,
Darren
Sorry, I'm going back on my word, lol.
Fair enough Darren, if I questioned your integrity I apologize Bro, keep doing your comparo vids, in all sincerity, I throughly enjoy them and have never questioned the results, including these recent runs with Scott, just the excuses made about the rev limiter, I didn't buy that one bit.
This dream world you're referring too, not sure what that means but I'll take that as you being frustrated.
11.5 at 123MPH and pulling on 997TT's, for me it's a reality Darren, for you it's still a dream.
Not turning on you man, just stating up the facts. The Ford GT is a great car and all but it basically looks faster than it is. Also I have some video documentation to back up my info.
Very funny Scott you almost got me, lol, I'll take that as little friendly jab based on earlier comments, lol, but please don't take what I said out of context. I didn't know Mark's Ford GT was modded with more boost, and the fire extinguisher adds ALOT of power , no doubt that thing was GONE, now that's what I would call a crushing, 1 gear, gone. Very impressive Mark!
What does he make to the wheels with those mods, smaller pulley, etc.? Stock one's trap about the same as C6 Z06's, 122 - 130, which is what I was referring too possibly running close with a STOCK one, based on my results at the track. A modded Z06 (Exhaust) was there that day as well, , he hit 12.2 at 122MPH, but I could be in la la land against the ford GT in the 1/4 mile, but they say traps don't lie. I'll see if I can find a stock one to run, maybe it will humble me up. I bet Mark traps high 130's, are you upset that you couldn't hang. :P
Fair enough Darren, if I questioned your integrity I apologize Bro, keep doing your comparo vids, in all sincerity, I throughly enjoy them and have never questioned the results, including these recent runs with Scott, just the excuses made about the rev limiter, I didn't buy that one bit.
This dream world you're referring too, not sure what that means but I'll take that as you being frustrated.
11.5 at 123MPH and pulling on 997TT's, for me it's a reality Darren, for you it's still a dream.
Drew,
I was there, Darren was there, Quninntin was driving the M5. All three of us have corroborated the events. (Q is in Miami as we speak at an M driving school, which is well overdue [sorry Q]). What the videos illustrate is an M5 losing, then beating the VF M3. The difference was a quick shifting tutorial by Darren. I will argue that even in the vids with Q beating me, he is far from utilizing the full potential of the car. When Darren gets back in town we will film some vids of my VF M3 vs my stock M5. I will drive my M3 (which after 4 years I hope you will trust my ability) and I will have Darren drive my stock M5. We will put one passenger in each vehicle for a fair comparison. I will be happy to post up the results (on the M5board, as well as the M3Forum) of both cars being driven to their potential so we can delete any questions you have as to driver ability and any resulting effect.
The VF Stage 2 car puts down 470 whp on 91 octane in Anaheim, CA on a Dynojet under extremely strict conditions. If you think this car is putting down that whp while you are driving down the road you need to go back and ask Nik to explain it you.
Also for future reference perhaps it would be less time consuming for you to offer a list of stock vehicles that the VF M3 can't beat (if there are any), than feeling compelled to argue about the rest of the cars that (according to your videos) it can.
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I was there, Darren was there, Quninntin was driving the M5. All three of us have corroborated the events. (Q is in Miami as we speak at an M driving school, which is well overdue [sorry Q]). What the videos illustrate is an M5 losing, then beating the VF M3. The difference was a quick shifting tutorial by Darren. I will argue that even in the vids with Q beating me, he is far from utilizing the full potential of the car. When Darren gets back in town we will film some vids of my VF M3 vs my stock M5. I will drive my M3 (which after 4 years I hope you will trust my ability) and I will have Darren drive my stock M5. We will put one passenger in each vehicle for a fair comparison. I will be happy to post up the results (on the M5board, as well as the M3Forum) of both cars being driven to their potential so we can delete any questions you have as to driver ability and any resulting effect.
Why you choose now to back them up I don't know, took you long enough, lol, regardless those vids satisfy me, I think you did very well, you make it sound like they pulled on you by BLth's. Even though you weren't in Q's car, if you say Q hit the rev limiter than so be it, it's pointless to keep going now that part of the discussion has ran it's course, when Q gets back I'm positive he'll corroborate that as well.
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The VF Stage 2 car puts down 470 whp on 91 octane in Anaheim, CA on a Dynojet under extremely strict conditions. If you think this car is putting down that whp while you are driving down the road you need to go back and ask Nik to explain it you.
You're still learning about dyno's so it makes sense you're confused, again peak power is not king, the power on the M3 is very linear, the M5 is at times making more power than you. The VF Stage 2 also puts down 489WHP at some dynojet in Marietta, Georgia as well, the kit just came out, give it some time, you'll see more #'s. I don't know why your car can't pull on M5's on every single run, I'm sorry Bro, maybe you should get the HPF kit and run race fuel, or meth, then you'll get your win.
There's a couple things I did notice from your M3 vs. M5 challange on the dynojet. The Plot on your 453WHP M3 cuts out at roughly 7700 RPM and I don't know why, never seen that on other dyno charts, if you could go to 8K there's a good 15-20WHP there.
ALSO and this would debunk this rev limit stuff as a major factor of why Q got you on the next round, on each run on the DJ your car is loosing power, why I don't know, but it's obvious you have a heatsoak issue, that would make more sense as to why you beat the M5 in the 1st two runs vs. the next ones where Q eventually pulled. Or is that theory less pragmatic than the rev limit stuff?
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Also for future reference perhaps it would be less time consuming for you to offer a list of stock vehicles that the VF M3 can't beat (if there are any), than feeling compelled to argue about the rest of the cars that (according to your videos) it can.
No idea what that means, or if it's even rational, a list WTF, I have no idea, I have not ran every car out there, but at times I make hypothectical guesses based on good info, mostly 1/4 mile traps, NOT dyno's like you guys obsessively do, and at times I've been wrong, but mostly right when comparing traps and how I'll do.
I post up my results, that's what happened, been doing it for a good while now, plenty of back up from the people there, there's never been any question or doubt from anyone but you and the Dallas crew when your M3 didn't quite deliver what you wanted it too and what that is I'm still not sure.
My 1/4 mile run was backed up by 335I and AMG owners who were there that day in Famoso CA, timeslips for you to gander at too, how about we do this? I'll believe your results if you believe mine? It's obvious your dyno's show something is awry, you're not reaching the rev limit and you have a heatsoak issue.
Why you choose now to back them up I don't know, took you long enough, lol, regardless those vids satisfy me, I think you did very well, you make it sound like they pulled on you by BLth's. Even though you weren't in Q's car, if you say Q hit the rev limiter than so be it, it's pointless to keep going now that part of the discussion has ran it's course, when Q gets back I'm positive he'll corroborate that as well.
You're still learning about dyno's so it makes sense you're confused, again peak power is not king, the power on the M3 is very linear, the M5 is at times making more power than you. The VF Stage 2 also puts down 489WHP at some dynojet in Marietta, Georgia as well, the kit just came out, give it some time, you'll see more #'s. I don't know why your car can't pull on M5's on every single run, I'm sorry Bro, maybe you should get the HPF kit and run race fuel, or meth, then you'll get your win.
There's a couple things I did notice from your M3 vs. M5 challange on the dynojet. The Plot on your 453WHP M3 cuts out at roughly 7700 RPM and I don't know why, never seen that on other dyno charts, if you could go to 8K there's a good 15-20WHP there.
ALSO and this would debunk this rev limit stuff as a major factor of why Q got you on the next round, on each run on the DJ your car is loosing power, why I don't know, but it's obvious you have a heatsoak issue, that would make more sense as to why you beat the M5 in the 1st two runs vs. the next ones where Q eventually pulled. Or is that theory less pragmatic than the rev limit stuff?
No idea what that means, or if it's even rational, a list WTF, I have no idea, I have not ran every car out there, but at times I make hypothectical guesses based on good info, mostly 1/4 mile traps, NOT dyno's like you guys obsessively do, and at times I've been wrong, but mostly right when comparing traps and how I'll do.
I post up my results, that's what happened, been doing it for a good while now, plenty of back up from the people there, there's never been any question or doubt from anyone but you and the Dallas crew when your M3 didn't quite deliver what you wanted it too and what that is I'm still not sure.
My 1/4 mile run was backed up by 335I and AMG owners who were there that day in Famoso CA, timeslips for you to gander at too, how about we do this? I'll believe your results if you believe mine? It's obvious your dyno's show something is awry, you're not reaching the rev limit and you have a heatsoak issue.
Drew,
Email me your dyno plots from 3 consecutive pulls within 5 minutes and we can talk.
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Maybe we can all get 
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I know Kenny is down in San Diego, where are you in Socal?
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