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Old 20th September 2001, 02:42   #1
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OT: Boxster Impressions

My Porsche is in for a minor service - only 7500 miles but it is a year old, so I thought it would be a good idea to get the oil changed and have a general inspection. Couple of other niggling problems being looked into as well. But that isn't what this is about.

As a loaner, I got a Boxster. My first time in one. What a hoot! Needless to say, I have performed a complete and thorough road test. If you haven't driven a Boxster, go do it. I had always heard it was one of the best handling cars available - and it is true. It is just a joy to drive. Extremely neutral in steering, tossable, agile. Good compliant ride (rides better than the 996TT.) This particular car is shod with 225/40 (f) and 265/35 (r) Continental "ContiSportContact" tires on 18" wheels. I know 18's are an option on the Boxster, but I don't know if that implies it has a sport suspension as well. It is a 2001 model car, so it has the 2.7 liter engine which is rated at 220hp. 0-60 is 6.6 seconds, according to the Porsche web site.

With the top down, it makes WONDERFUL noises at full throttle, and at part throttle it is very quiet. The engine is smooth as silk and ready and willing to run up to the 7000RPM redline. Of course, the pressure in the back you get from the M5 or Porsche is absent - but it is no slouch.

Interestingly, it seems to be geared very tall. Redline in 1st gear is good for 47mph, vs. the M5's 40 mph. (The 996TT and the M5 gearing are very similar, by the way.) 2nd in the Boxster is good for 75mph (vs. about 60 in the M5), and 3rd is good for 105mph! These numbers are based upon indicated speed. (See what lengths I go to for you guys? ) So who needs 4th and 5th? Now granted, it is only a 5 speed, so it makes some sense that the gears have to be spaced wider. But still, I think the car would be more fun with a lower 1, 2 and 3, lower 4th a bit and leave 5th where it is.

The upside of these tall gears and less power is that it takes a much longer time to get through 1st and 2nd. This gives you lots of time to enjoy the delicious sounds coming from the engine - intake and exhaust noise mostly. And so you "feel" fast anyway.

This car is all about autocross-type driving - just a delight to handle at lower speeds. It is perfectly stable and planted at higher speeds too, but I'm guessing on Sears Point or Laguna you'd not get past 105mph - just not enough power. And where the M5 or the 996TT are a bit on the heavy side is in the slower, tighter stuff, this is where the Boxster really excels. It does reward smooth driving, in which case you can just keep tightening the wheel and it just keeps responding. If you work HARD to really upset the car, you can induce understeer or drift. Full power isn't enough to get the tail out, but if you really bang the 1-2 shift you can step it out a bit. If you're smooth, though, you can put your foot to the floor in a lot of corners. The car is so well balanced, no doubt due to its perfect 50/50 weight distribution and mid-engine layout.

Back in Spartanburg, I drove the M Roadster. Fun car, but the Porsche is WAY superior in ride, ergonomics, and most importantly handling. If I were to buy one, it would have to be a Boxster S - which I'm assuming is twice the fun. But the lack of power in the standard Boxster is not a fun-killer - you just have fun a little slower.

The 996TT and M5 are of course HUGELY more powerful, and the 996TT generates more lateral grip in steady-state corners. In fact about the only similarity between the 996TT and the Boxster is the legendary Porsche brakes, which are tremendous in both cars. But in terms of transition and balanced feel, the Boxster is the "sweetest" handling car I've ever driven.

Way fun, a recommended experience.


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Old 20th September 2001, 02:56   #2
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Greg, have you ever thought of writing for a car magazine? Great review!

Just out of curiosity how does the 996 feel and ride compared to the M5? I have a 2002 M5 on order (so I haven't driven one), and I've never driven a Porshce so I was just curious what your thoughts are. I must admit I have been thinking of getting a 2002 911 C4 instead but something tells me I'll be happier with the M5... especially long term.

Please let us know (in detail if you'd like) what the 996 is like.

Thanks a million!

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Old 20th September 2001, 03:11   #3
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Greg: Nice post..

I own an '00 Boxster S with M030 Sport Suspension and the 18" wheels with Contis...

Your post is dead on accurate!

BTW: The sport susp and 18 wheels are seperate options.

When my car was in for service I got an '01 2.7L Boxster with 200miles as a loaner...this car had 17s

With the 17s and std susp, car was more compliant and felt a little more tossable because of the narrower front tires....

Honestly, the 2.7L car was just as much fun to drive as my "S".

Yes, you are dead on in terms of the tall gearing...my old E36 M3 hit 60 at readline, my "S" goes way over 70 in 2nd...I think gears 1-2 are too tall for track use.

BTW: I was able to hit 109mph at Laguna in my S". I think your turbo would hit that speed Before cresting the hill coming into turn one.

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Very NICE review greg!!
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Hi, GreekM5 - thanks. Haven't considered it. Might be a fun job if it wasn't for all that work.....

The 996TT (can't speak for the standard 996, and it has different suspension, 2wd vs. 4wd and different tires) is somewhat firmer, and considerably louder than the M5. It transmits much more road noise up into the car. On great pavement, it isn't too bad. On awful pavement it is very loud indeed. Basically, the cockpit of the Porsche is loud enough in general that you have to have the stereo way loud to drown it out, which is a lousy solution. The result is - not a great stereo - and more fatigue.

They both really are great cars. The Porsche has amazing handling - but you will pay for it in terms of comfort, noise, practicality. The M5 handles well in the sense that it communicates fairly well, corners with ferocious grip, has amazing high speed stability - and it can pull off stunts that no 4000lb 4-door sedan ought to be able to do. But it is a heavy car with gross understeer at the limit - so it isn't as fun to drive all out. On the other hand, it has a useful back seat, a big trunk, and great comfort. And in normal, public-road driving it is a joy to drive as well. I've never driven a car that feels so planted and secure. Even at speeds well into triple digits, you will have confidence to actually steer the car around sweepers - whereas with so many other cars at those speeds you feel uncomfortable with anything but a long, long straightaway in front of you.

BTW, I wrote a fairly lengthy comparison between the M5 and the 996TT quite a while ago. It is still on line at http://www.bmwregistry.com/gregh/comparo/ .
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Thanks, Kirkland!

Yes, I've hit just over 120 at the crest into turn 1 if I get a good exit out of 11. I always had room left over braking into 2, but I've never had the balls to stay on the throttle over that crest. I'm going back to Laguna Seca with the Porsche in February. My goal is to break 1:50.
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For me to hit 109 in the "S"...I need to stay flat on until the 1st braking marker...a little scary the 1st few times you do it because the car gets light going over the crest and the down hill section into 2 make you want to brake soon!

I have hit 115-118 into turn 2 in my E36 M3, but that was when I was driving at a higher level (I'm rusty) and on track tires....

Breaking 1:50 at Laguna with your car should be just a matter of more practice...The car's probably capable of 1:41-1:42 on street tires...but you gotta have a lotta balls to run that fast without a harness and roll cage.

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Greg,
Have you driven the Honda S2000? I hear that car is really a work of art. It seems to beat the Porsche in most reviews.
I guess its a real screamer... although it apparently dosent have enough torque to even burn out off the line. (its no M5)

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Greg,

I read somewhere that some guy in Fla. had a 996 TT motor installed in his Boxster. Now that would be something!
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Kirkland - I don't think my car is capable of 1:41's in stock trim. According to my stopwatch, the Porsche GT3 Supercup cars, driven by the likes of Johannes Van Overbeek, racing in Speedvision World Cup at LSIR, were doing about that. (Unless my memory has taken a big dump, which is entirely possible.) Speedvision GTcars have to run street tires, (although I think they can shave them down a bit) but they are allowed engine mods and lightening. Plus the GT3 is a hot car already. I'm pretty sure they should both outhandle me and have better power-to-weight.

M5Laser - Haven't driven an S2000. I've heard it is also in the same league. I'd love to drive one. If I ever get the chance I'll let you know how it is. I do know you have to wind the crap out of it to get power - I think the redline is 9000RPM - and it has, as you suggest, very little torque down low. But so what? I don't mind keeping the revs up, especially when I DON'T have to drive it every day and it is someone elses' car!

Roton - that would indeed be come car!
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