UUC SSK problem - The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com)

TMRM5 · 15th February 2007, 08:02

I had my UUC installed today and when i picked up my car it is really hard to get the car to go into 2nd gear. I dont understand why. There isnt anything to adjust on this thing. All other gears engage fine, but 2nd is HARD to get in or grinds. Anyone else have this issue? My installed did a B&M and the UUC and he said not only did the b&M take less time to install and cost less, it felt like it shifted better. What gives?

drallen · 15th February 2007, 08:54

Did you also have the DSSR installed?

There seems to be an issue getting into second if it was not installed in the correct way...

Mark

TMRM5 · 15th February 2007, 09:11

yes the DSSR was also installed. Where did you read about the problems with not being installed corectly and 2nd gear issues?

jrlo997 · 15th February 2007, 09:46

i had problems with the DSSR too. my INDE mechanic showed me it was installed correctly. ultimately, i ended up going back to the OEM selector rod.

just my opinion here, but i think the problem is in the design of the DSSR. i noticed that the DSSR is a straight piece, where as the OEM selector rod is bent just above the guibo. again, just my opinion, but i'm thinking that the fact the DSSR does not have the "bend" is why i was having problems engaging 2nd gear, i.e. there must be a design/mechanical reason for the bend.

anyway, like i said i'm back to the OEM selector rod with the UUC EVOIII SSK... shifts like butter now.

willm5ad · 15th February 2007, 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrlo997

i had problems with the DSSR too. my INDE mechanic showed me it was installed correctly. ultimately, i ended up going back to the OEM selector rod.

just my opinion here, but i think the problem is in the design of the DSSR. i noticed that the DSSR is a straight piece, where as the OEM selector rod is bent just above the guibo. again, just my opinion, but i'm thinking that the fact the DSSR does not have the "bend" is why i was having problems engaging 2nd gear, i.e. there must be a design/mechanical reason for the bend.

anyway, like i said i'm back to the OEM selector rod with the UUC EVOIII SSK... shifts like butter now.

Some people have installed the DSSR the wrong way round, check if the cutout is as per the instructions.
WillM5AD

mr_bock · 15th February 2007, 15:53

I have the UUC SSK with out the DSSR... no problems, smooth shifts all the time. Not sure if I should/need the DSSR.

Hope you get yours sorted out!!!

Lscman · 15th February 2007, 16:23

I personally installed DSSR and UUC shifter. Mine shifts like butter and I verified clearances and function before using it. I have a deep understanding about the shift linkage and tranny function, after spending a year studying shifter options before buying.

A search will provide necessary info, but I will regurgitate & summarize.

Issues like this posted on this board (relating to DSSR) have been traced to either:

1) DSSR rod mounted upside down
2) DSSR rod mounted backwards
3) Mixing DSSR with a non-UUC shifter. A shortshifter of some other brand could possibly have significantly different geometry/design that would cause the DSSR to contact the shifter frame assembly in 2nd gear.
4) buyer gets a DSSR that is not specifically designed for the E39 V8 application. This can happen if you buy off ebay or from someone who does not understand the small differences between versions. UUC sells several DSSR's and some folks assume they are the same. Some idiots assume that other DSSR's of the same length are compatible...they are not. Rely upon part#.
5) buyer gets a used or "NOS" new old stock E39 V8 DSSR that was manufactured at least 2 years ago. This can only happen if you buy used or someone selling very old stock. Variations in shifter mounting frame caused occasional interference like you describe. This resulted in a redesign over 2 years ago that made the E39 V8 DSSR machining slightly different than for other apps.

Believe me, one of these 5 problems applies to you. The difference in shape between the original rod and the DSSR is not the problem. The E39 V8 DSSR should have a substantial notch machined out of it on one end and the other end should be tapered like a cone. There are pics on this forum somewhere. I think these two characteristics are unique to the V8 application. Some other DSSR's may appear same to the untrained eye. The cone end of the DSSR goes on the shifter end & I think the notch goes downward to clear the guibo on the tranny end. My memory is fading, sorry. The conical relief on the shifter end is specifically designed to clear the aluminum shifter frame mount when the shifter is in 2nd gear. The other end is machined like the end of a hot dog, not a cone. Me thinks you do not have a cone shape on the shifter end of the DSSR due to improper install or wrong part#.

jrlo997 · 15th February 2007, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lscman

I personally installed DSSR and UUC shifter. Mine shifts like butter and I verified clearances and function before using it. I have a deep understanding about the shift linkage and tranny function, after spending a year studying shifter options before buying.

A search will provide necessary info, but I will regurgitate & summarize.

Issues like this posted on this board (relating to DSSR) have been traced to either:

1) DSSR rod mounted upside down
2) DSSR rod mounted backwards
3) Mixing DSSR with a non-UUC shifter. A shortshifter of some other brand could possibly have significantly different geometry/design that would cause the DSSR to contact the shifter frame assembly in 2nd gear.
4) buyer gets a DSSR that is not specifically designed for the E39 V8 application. This can happen if you buy off ebay or from someone who does not understand the small differences between versions. UUC sells several DSSR's and some folks assume they are the same. Some idiots assume that other DSSR's of the same length are compatible...they are not. Rely upon part#.
5) buyer gets a used or "NOS" new old stock E39 V8 DSSR that was manufactured at least 2 years ago. This can only happen if you buy used or someone selling very old stock. Variations in shifter mounting frame caused occasional interference like you describe. This resulted in a redesign over 2 years ago that made the E39 V8 DSSR machining slightly different than for other apps.

Believe me, one of these 5 problems applies to you. The difference in shape between the original rod and the DSSR is not the problem. The E39 V8 DSSR should have a substantial notch machined out of it on one end and the other end should be tapered like a cone. There are pics on this forum somewhere. I think these two characteristics are unique to the V8 application. Some other DSSR's may appear same to the untrained eye. The cone end of the DSSR goes on the shifter end & I think the notch goes downward to clear the guibo on the tranny end. My memory is fading, sorry. The conical relief on the shifter end is specifically designed to clear the aluminum shifter frame mount when the shifter is in 2nd gear. The other end is machined like the end of a hot dog, not a cone. Me thinks you do not have a cone shape on the shifter end of the DSSR due to improper install or wrong part#.

what you're saying makes sense. i bought a used one and i think my situation fits #4 or #5 above. i think i got an "old stock" part. oh well. i'm leaving well enough alone now.

TMRM5, i hope you get yours fixed. good luck!

cheers!
Jason

M5Racer · 15th February 2007, 23:21

Get Dinan original - anything else is just a waste of your $$....

TMRM5 · 15th February 2007, 23:41

Well the issue has been resolved. It was a KNOWN issue with UUC and it pisses me off that they did not put it in their instructions that this issue may come up. In older cars there is a lip around the older 2001 and older cars around the shifter ball that causes the ball to hit. I called them and mentioned my problem and they knew right away. I even mentioned they should put it in their instructions and the guy laughed like yea right ha ha. Pissed me off since it ended up costing me an extra $65 to have it repaired.

In the picture with the arrorow shows the lip that the shifter was hitting and what i had to do was shave that lip off. Did that and it works fine.

What makes me mad is this company that i read about great customer service took almost a month to get my order completely properly shipped, i feel they weezled their way into not giving me the web described discount ( but i can live with that ) and now this issue. I went with this shifter because many of you guys here have it and that says something, but if i had to do it again, i would buy a rouge or a B&M. I should mention the shift knob has a rattle now also. Anyhow, that is my UUC expierience.