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Old 18th April 2006, 06:11   #1
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New letter to BMWNA re carbon issue: your input please

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http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...788#post741788

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Old 18th April 2006, 06:52   #2
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i like it. although i know very little about this issue it made me want to find out more and look into it deeper. i think that is the intent of the letter and since it is well written by a phd they should at least look into it. i would be more than happy to sign it or any other petition that may need to go to bmw.
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Old 18th April 2006, 07:41   #3
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David,

This represents (in my opinion) a well thought out and well written letter. It might be beneficial to have an electronic document circulate that we can digitally sign as a group to attach with this.
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Old 18th April 2006, 09:10   #4
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Thanks for the great work! I'll sign...
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Just curious: you mention similar problems in the M62TU. I've posted about the carbon issue on a couple of E39 boards that have a significant percentage of V8 owners and no one seems to have heard of it, in fact, several of them have mentioned that in engines they've had open for other reasons the SAI plumbing has been clean. Even the professional wrenches that post frequently say that they've never seen it in a M62. Where have you seen the problem, or even reports of the problem, in the M62?
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Just curious: you mention similar problems in the M62TU.
[Thanks for the comments...keep 'em coming!]

Interesting question. The reference to the m62 came right from the bmw service bulletin. Perhaps because these engines share the same SAI design, it was assumed by bmw that carbon faults would be occuring at similar rates. My local dealer confirmed to me that they have performed carbon jobs on 7 series and X5s. Perhaps the absolute incidence is lower? Perhaps the proportion of owners of these models that regularly participate on message boards is lower? Maybe bmwna has been effective dispensing goodwill? Maybe some combo of the above?

I'm not shocked that clean SAI systems have been observed in some engines upon tear down. On the m5 side, we still don't know why one guy sees carbon blockage at 9k mi, while others go 100k mi without a fault. Feelin' lucky??

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...although i know very little about this issue it made me want to find out more and look into it deeper.
Here are some links to information used in the letter:

Discussion and Final Rule on matters related to emissions repair cost waivers (from the Clean Air Act):
http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/1995/September/Day-18/pr-1045.html

The I/M prorgam review requested by congress (Phase 1):
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10133.html?onpi_newsdoc071801
Excellent source, fully searcheable on-line. Lots of good background stuff.

The EPA guidance document to state I/M programs:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/im/obd/r01015.pdf

Among these documents are lots of potential contact names with which to initiate a letter campaign to get the fed's attention.

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Here are some links to information used in the letter:

Discussion and Final Rule on matters related to emissions repair cost waivers (from the Clean Air Act):
http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/1995/September/Day-18/pr-1045.html

The I/M prorgam review requested by congress (Phase 1):
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10133.html?onpi_newsdoc071801
Excellent source, fully searcheable on-line. Lots of good background stuff.

The EPA guidance document to state I/M programs:
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/im/obd/r01015.pdf

Among these documents are lots of potential contact names with which to initiate a letter campaign to get the fed's attention.

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I'm hoping that none of this is applicable to me. If it *was*, damn straight I'd be raising hell.
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Nicely written! Hopefully it will get some type of response.
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