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Old 16th April 2006, 07:35   #1
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Valero gasoline???

They are poppin up all over the place in Tucson, AZ (where I go to school).

Where else are they popping up?

Is it good gas?


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Old 16th April 2006, 07:54   #2
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lol have seen them in los angeles for the past 6-7 yrs? they just keep on growing dont they?
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Old 16th April 2006, 08:13   #3
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The started popping up here in CT a few years ago. It's just generic gas, not good. IMO
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Old 16th April 2006, 09:38   #4
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They are pretty common here in CA. I haven't seen them listed as a "top tier" gasoline provider yet. I've used them in a pinch but wouldn't on a regular basis.

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lol have seen them in los angeles for the past 6-7 yrs? they just keep on growing dont they?
Funny you mention it. I invested in VLO last week and made enough on it to ease the pain of the $3.00/gallon gas I buy at Chevron. I never thought I would see the day when I was actually rooting for crude to go up. Sort of an "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" philosophy, I guess.
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Funny you mention it. I invested in VLO last week and made enough on it to ease the pain of the $3.00/gallon gas I buy at Chevron. I never thought I would see the day when I was actually rooting for crude to go up. Sort of an "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" philosophy, I guess.
...i think i should do that too, with the price of 91 octane as much as 3.60 @ one point...
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Old 16th April 2006, 21:52   #7
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They have a refinery in Delaware, I know that. They bought it from Texaco several years back. I think they get fined almost daily for the smut they're throwing up into the air. The place is full of OSHA violations as well. Thought it is better now than when Texaco had it. They need to level the place and rebuild a more efficient and safe refinery.
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All I get is 94 octane Sunoco..and it comes out to..about...$3.40US for a US (3.78L) gallon. On average. Is that considered cheap nowadays?

And another thing, did anyone see the response to the gas industry by that guy from Chrysler?

Or, conversely.. can you say "It's -way- past the time to fully hammer the gas industy into the dirt"', all in one breath? I knew you could.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...73241353984152

I'd don't really care how the vehicle is 'motivated'..as long as the vehicle remains exciting, I'm good!
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Exxon sold off all their stations in California to another operator maybe five or six years ago who rebranded them as Valero. I think what you're seeing is this continuing in the wake of the ExxonMobil merger and retail-operation shakeout.

What we need is an equillibrium that keeps oil prices high enough for Big Oil to keep exploration rolling forward in sixth gear but not so high that it destroys the saleability of the commodity they're looking for. That's what markets are all about, as long as they work. At $60/barrel we won't run out of oil in any of our lifetimes.

I think we're nearing the point in terms of battery efficiency, longevity, and maybe even cost where electric cars could be useful and a whole lot of fun. Even the GM EV1 was a tremendous engineering achievement and with the later batteries a very useful vehicle (I tried to get one for a while, but by that time GM was doing their level best to destroy all evidence they'd ever existed.) If hybrids do nothing more than help phones and laptops push battery technology to the point a real engineless EV is cost-effective, they'll have been useful.

Note that I'm no enviroloony, I think most of the global-warming-alarmist arguments are based on false premises but they've got a vested interest in keeping the UN grants coming.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...9/ixworld.html

Just got back from a drive around and through Southern California - and if you went around with a magic wand and zapped every fuel-burning car on the road and made them run on Beano you'd still have gridlock, the problem isn't CO2 or oil or Suburbans it's just too many cars, which unless you're going to stack people up like Manhattan or Hong Kong (a lifestyle in which I have no interest in participating) and push them into trains really translates to too many people.

(Disclaimer: Yeah, I've got some ExxonMobil and ChevronTexaco stock. Not enough. If I had enough ExxonMobil stock I'd be posting this over on the Gulfstream owners' board, wherever that is...)

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Although I think Chevron is the gas to buy, I have run plenty of tanks of Valero fuel - never had a bad load.
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