ALL M5 MEMBERS SHOULD READ THIS! WIDESPREAD VANOS ISSUES COSTLY REPAIR DESIGN FAULT!
To all the M5 owners listen up. Maybe this will shed light on the future of your precious M5. I was once a proud owner of the Fastest Luxury Sedan in the world. The veil has been taken off and the truth has been revealed. This rare car we all relish in is nothing more then a ticking time bomb. Why does he say this do you ask? My friend is a Certified BMW tech that has trained and worked on these M5’s extensively for 30 years. He agrees there is a major flaw in the reliability of this engine. He has won several awards from BMW before leaving the company to pursue other endeavor’s. The car despite its elegant lines and performance of a Ferrari have a fatal flaw. I have had cars in the past with issues, like blowing the tranni on a 911, or blowing up the rear end of my Corvette. Never, and I say never have I encountered a problem like I did with this M5.
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I hate to say this but its “The Ultimate money guzzling machine.” I was not aware of the Vanos issues this car has. If you searched this forum for Vanos failure or oil leaks it will really surprise you. This is a serious problem that BMW refuses to recognize on their prize gem. They don’t want to admit that their precious baby has a fatal recurring flaw. I would understand if this was a freak occurrence, but ITS NOT. Not just the research but also certain BMW mechanics no longer under the yolk of BMW have attested to this. I have seen 100’s of examples of the Vanos failure on the E39 M5. If it hasn’t happened to you, just wait. Whether it was under warranty at 10,000 miles or at 70,000 miles like mine. There is no excuse for a $10,000 repair not related to replacing the engine for a car of this statute. I know **** well the E55 does not have any kind of Vanos issues. They have had their problems, but as I can see their cars runs much better then BMW. The problem is the beauty and sophistication of this engine. I hate to say it, but I miss my Meat and potatoes days. My old 96 vette with the Lt4 engine may have been a simple 350, but they just seem more reliable. My hat is off to the ridiculous efforts of the Motor ports guys for taking an F1 engine and throwing it in a sedan. They forget one important rule when doing this. The engine’s roots come from a million dollar car designed to run the 24 Le-mans not every day driving. A perfect example is the issue with the new E60’s Vanos line failure. The car is brand new and is already having problems. BMW is becoming a Mercedes in their pursuit for all automatic cars. SMG, AMG is there really a difference? Its sad really, The Ultimate driving machine is no longer there. I said it once and I will say it again, not letting some computer assisted squirrel sequential transmission do all the driving. Therefore BMW becomes no better then a Mercedes. I can’t imagine what the cost will be in 6 years when the warranty is up on that silly intricate 7-speed tranni. I bet people will be selling their second cars to pay for the SMG. Then the looks are another story. If the majority of the community has to adjust to the E60, then something is wrong. I am sure as hell not going to buy a car for a 100 grand and have to adjust to its looks. Whether or not its mechanics are beyond perfect is not the issue. What good is driving fast if you can’t look good doing it? Compare the CL 55 to the E60 on looks and even performance and the Mercedes walks away with the Cover of Sports Illustrated. I have said my peace on this already. I am getting off track. That’s another story, but kind of related.
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Furthermore, the integrity of the E39 is at risk. Now that it is 2006 those M5’s that are not garage queens are easing closer to the 100,000 mark. Now things are becoming quite apparent on the longevity of the S62 engine. I remember when the E34 and E28 cars could run into the 300,000-mile range, some on the original clutch if you can believe this. If your car has 150,000 miles consider yourself a good driver and really lucky, but for the most part there are too many of these Vanos failures to just let slip through the cracks. One of your members Steve from Alabama has his sitting at the dealer with a $10,000 vanos fix me on it. There is gentleman in Detroit that has the same issue with his. There is one from Sweden, another from South America. I could name 100 more, but you get the idea. Do the research if you don’t believe me. This is not an issue of someone crying on the forum about a problem that can’t be fixed. Remember there is a handful of these cars on the planet, and I believe more than 60% of them have Vanos issues. Not to mention the annoying clutch that is as weak as a 525i, actually same clutch. How can that be? I am not going to even touch on Carbon Build up and the severity of the cost.
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Bottom line I spent thousands in misdiagnosed problems from the dealership to find the answer to this problem. Its not the oil separators its not the Solenoid O-rings, so save your money and sell your M5 unless you enjoy renting cars and spending money on something BMW should compensate for, warranty or not. I am just lucky the engine didn’t go thermonuclear on me. The remaining members that choose to keep their M5’s need to research this issue extensively and go to BMW corporate with a lawsuit. Don’t try to tell me there is always going to be maintenance in expensive autos. My Porsche has no problems nearly related to anything this monumental. I could blow the 3.6-liter engine and have it rebuilt for less then the Vanos system on the M5. My corvette I could put through a tree and have about the same cost as a Vanos replacement. What good is the S62 engine if the dealer won’t rebuild it? They just send you a bill for $25,000 and a new vanos headache.
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I am really sad that my attitude towards BMW has taken a 180. I am lost forever to BMW. Especially now the new series has no more passion then a pair of titmice? My words of disdain will spread like a virus throughout the automotive industry and hopefully BMW will be affected by this negative repore. I attend the Sema and Ces show every year here in Vegas and I will tell the tales of the 400hp and 500hp rambler. A beautiful car with the life expectancy of a dog, if that. Join the Porsche Forums and try to find an issue equivalent to this Vanos issue. Agree with me or not, you cannot deny the validity of these issues. My M5 is now gone. I am sad but relieved of the burden
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Good-bye and good luck to all,
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Justin
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RIP M5
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To the days when the youth showed no signs of this Cancerous life sucking engine management system called the Vanos.
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To all the M5 owners listen up. Maybe this will shed light on the future of your precious M5. I was once a proud owner of the Fastest Luxury Sedan in the world. The veil has been taken off and the truth has been revealed. This rare car we all relish in is nothing more then a ticking time bomb. Why does he say this do you ask? My friend is a Certified BMW tech that has trained and worked on these M5’s extensively for 30 years. He agrees there is a major flaw in the reliability of this engine. He has won several awards from BMW before leaving the company to pursue other endeavor’s. The car despite its elegant lines and performance of a Ferrari have a fatal flaw. I have had cars in the past with issues, like blowing the tranni on a 911, or blowing up the rear end of my Corvette. Never, and I say never have I encountered a problem like I did with this M5.
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I hate to say this but its “The Ultimate money guzzling machine.” I was not aware of the Vanos issues this car has. If you searched this forum for Vanos failure or oil leaks it will really surprise you. This is a serious problem that BMW refuses to recognize on their prize gem. They don’t want to admit that their precious baby has a fatal recurring flaw. I would understand if this was a freak occurrence, but ITS NOT. Not just the research but also certain BMW mechanics no longer under the yolk of BMW have attested to this. I have seen 100’s of examples of the Vanos failure on the E39 M5. If it hasn’t happened to you, just wait. Whether it was under warranty at 10,000 miles or at 70,000 miles like mine. There is no excuse for a $10,000 repair not related to replacing the engine for a car of this statute. I know **** well the E55 does not have any kind of Vanos issues. They have had their problems, but as I can see their cars runs much better then BMW. The problem is the beauty and sophistication of this engine. I hate to say it, but I miss my Meat and potatoes days. My old 96 vette with the Lt4 engine may have been a simple 350, but they just seem more reliable. My hat is off to the ridiculous efforts of the Motor ports guys for taking an F1 engine and throwing it in a sedan. They forget one important rule when doing this. The engine’s roots come from a million dollar car designed to run the 24 Le-mans not every day driving. A perfect example is the issue with the new E60’s Vanos line failure. The car is brand new and is already having problems. BMW is becoming a Mercedes in their pursuit for all automatic cars. SMG, AMG is there really a difference? Its sad really, The Ultimate driving machine is no longer there. I said it once and I will say it again, not letting some computer assisted squirrel sequential transmission do all the driving. Therefore BMW becomes no better then a Mercedes. I can’t imagine what the cost will be in 6 years when the warranty is up on that silly intricate 7-speed tranni. I bet people will be selling their second cars to pay for the SMG. Then the looks are another story. If the majority of the community has to adjust to the E60, then something is wrong. I am sure as hell not going to buy a car for a 100 grand and have to adjust to its looks. Whether or not its mechanics are beyond perfect is not the issue. What good is driving fast if you can’t look good doing it? Compare the CL 55 to the E60 on looks and even performance and the Mercedes walks away with the Cover of Sports Illustrated. I have said my peace on this already. I am getting off track. That’s another story, but kind of related.
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Furthermore, the integrity of the E39 is at risk. Now that it is 2006 those M5’s that are not garage queens are easing closer to the 100,000 mark. Now things are becoming quite apparent on the longevity of the S62 engine. I remember when the E34 and E28 cars could run into the 300,000-mile range, some on the original clutch if you can believe this. If your car has 150,000 miles consider yourself a good driver and really lucky, but for the most part there are too many of these Vanos failures to just let slip through the cracks. One of your members Steve from Alabama has his sitting at the dealer with a $10,000 vanos fix me on it. There is gentleman in Detroit that has the same issue with his. There is one from Sweden, another from South America. I could name 100 more, but you get the idea. Do the research if you don’t believe me. This is not an issue of someone crying on the forum about a problem that can’t be fixed. Remember there is a handful of these cars on the planet, and I believe more than 60% of them have Vanos issues. Not to mention the annoying clutch that is as weak as a 525i, actually same clutch. How can that be? I am not going to even touch on Carbon Build up and the severity of the cost.
<o></o>
Bottom line I spent thousands in misdiagnosed problems from the dealership to find the answer to this problem. Its not the oil separators its not the Solenoid O-rings, so save your money and sell your M5 unless you enjoy renting cars and spending money on something BMW should compensate for, warranty or not. I am just lucky the engine didn’t go thermonuclear on me. The remaining members that choose to keep their M5’s need to research this issue extensively and go to BMW corporate with a lawsuit. Don’t try to tell me there is always going to be maintenance in expensive autos. My Porsche has no problems nearly related to anything this monumental. I could blow the 3.6-liter engine and have it rebuilt for less then the Vanos system on the M5. My corvette I could put through a tree and have about the same cost as a Vanos replacement. What good is the S62 engine if the dealer won’t rebuild it? They just send you a bill for $25,000 and a new vanos headache.
<o></o>
I am really sad that my attitude towards BMW has taken a 180. I am lost forever to BMW. Especially now the new series has no more passion then a pair of titmice? My words of disdain will spread like a virus throughout the automotive industry and hopefully BMW will be affected by this negative repore. I attend the Sema and Ces show every year here in Vegas and I will tell the tales of the 400hp and 500hp rambler. A beautiful car with the life expectancy of a dog, if that. Join the Porsche Forums and try to find an issue equivalent to this Vanos issue. Agree with me or not, you cannot deny the validity of these issues. My M5 is now gone. I am sad but relieved of the burden
<o></o>
<o></o>
Good-bye and good luck to all,
<o></o>
Justin
<o></o>
<o></o>
RIP M5
<o></o>
To the days when the youth showed no signs of this Cancerous life sucking engine management system called the Vanos.
<o></o>
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