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Old 8th May 2001, 08:48   #1
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Post what is the max speed in each forward gear? and how do u guys like the gear ratios?

thanks...too lazy to look into my mag collection....

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Old 8th May 2001, 09:37   #2
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Hmm, 40 in 1st, (all in stock form, mind you), 65 in 2nd, 95 in 3rd, 120ish in 4th, dont remember 5th, never redlined in 6th. i never really look down much i feel completely natural at 95-120, depending, on regular freeway cruising.

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i kno, it is kinda hard to look down sometimes....i heard that, um, i think it was motor trend said that second gear was a longer gear, or a long ratio for second gear.....this was a long time ago so i maybe be wrong, they said something like, if it had more agressive ratio's(esp. second gear) it could do the quarter mile alot quicker....
also, i am fully aware of its high speed potential...
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Old 8th May 2001, 19:33   #4
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According to C&D March 2000
40 -> 70 -> 110 -> 146 -> 156 -> 156

Looks to me like 3rd really kicks ***!
Oh wait...looks to me like EVERY gear kicks ***!

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Old 9th May 2001, 01:29   #5
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My co-workers (who have a 911 and and S4) and I were talking about when to shift. On my Beast, in city or highway, I shift around 5,000. They both think that's high and argued that one should shift around 3,500 or 4,000. We talked a bit about torque and how it levels off but they maintained that 4,000 or so was the right level and I still think north of 5,000 is ok. What do you think?
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my dad has had numerous Bimmers....he said that bimmers seem to run better when ran hard, and the M5 seems to like it...at first i asked him why he always goes around 5k and is always at a high rpm when cruising(not always).....
it wont hurt it...its a M5 "he said"...i think its different if u are pegging the rev limiter all the time and missing shifts..
i'd rather him drive it like its an M5 than a S4 etc.....
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There is so much torque in this motor that it renders gear ratios meaningless. If I get stuck behind someone doing 50 on a country road I can easily overtake them in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th, depending on how lazy I am.

OTOH, in my old 911, there is one correct gear for each thing you do. If you don't use the correct one, you suffer for it. The 911 is intolerant of laziness.

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MKRocks,

I know many folks will think otherwise, but I think your coworkers are wrong. You want maximum torque at the wheel, not the motor.

Wheel torque is engine torque multiplied by your total gear ratio. When you realize that each upshift reduces the torque multiplier, you can see that it's okay to have the engine torque going down as long as the engine speed increases at a "faster" rate. You want to shift when the wheel torque finally decreases to the level that you will have in the next higher gear.

Perhaps the simplest way to think about it is to mathematically "factor out" the gearing and acknowledge that "delivered power" is what your car needs in order to speed up. Assuming a constant efficiency drivetrain, you will want to shift at a point where your engine makes as much power in the new gear as it was making in the previous one.

With a well-breathing engine, this usually works out to somewhere beyond redline, meaning that all shifts are "short," though it can occur below redline in an engine that wheezes at high speed.

disclaimer: assuming stereotypical torque curve shapes.

An interesting observation is that if your torque curve was linearly decreasing such that your horsepower was always constant, then it wouldn't matter when you shifted!

The M5 dyno charts seem to show just such a situation between 6000 and 7000 rpm.
http://www.bmwm5.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001616.html

From the chart, it is clear that you want to keep the engine above 6000 rpm if you want maximum acceleration. There's a reason engines are designed to run fast.

Though the difference is small, you're still making more power at 7000 rpm with only 240 lb-ft, than you are at 5000 rpm with 320 lb-ft.
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ANyone done more than 35 in reverse? I wanna know what the final speed is at redline. I'd imagine it's roughly 50 or so (geared taller than 1st, i'd imagine)

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Reverse is -3.746 whereas first through sixth are 4.227, 2.528, 1.669, 1.226, 1.000, 0.827 respectively. So if you can hit 65 in second then reverse should be good for about -44 mph.
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