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Old 6th November 2003, 19:31   #1
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? GTECH PRO PERFORMANCE METER updated opinions please

On e-bay for a good price.
Have they fixed the M5 problems?

Is it worth 40$ for the other functions?


Are the firmware upgrades for the competition model only?


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Old 6th November 2003, 20:24   #2
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M5 Fix

They have NOT fixed the M5 problem (can't read engine speed). I have called and asked several times. All I get is that "it won't even work on our M3..." So, I pretty much assume that they don't care.

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Old 6th November 2003, 20:50   #3
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does that mean none of the functions will work...
0-60?
horses?

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Old 6th November 2003, 22:32   #4
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Are there any other brands on the market that do measure correct M5 RPMs?
Daniel,
I've been using the software and cables from Auterra (www.auterra.com). I am able to read (through the OBD II port) many parameters, including RPM, MPH, MAF rate, intake air temp, fuel trim readings, O2 sensor data, etc.

Bonus: It has a built in DYNO feature which will measure TQ and HP once you input some values and then do a dyno run (pick a gear, hover around 2k rpm until it gives you the green...then floor it until it redlines, shift if you want). The output is a downloadable graph.

Bonus...Bonus: It also allows me to read troble codes and reset my SES light

I like it so far, but still getting used to it.

Doesn't measure G's...

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Just a correction for Auterra'a URL..

The correct URL for Auterra is http://www.auterraweb.com
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Jeff -it figures torque/hp only by measuring RPM over time and integrating that with the gear ratios and vehicle weight. Therefore it cannot compensate for tire diameter, wheel spin and tire slip (which happens under load no matter what) - probably making it more inaccurate in torquey 2wd cars like the M5.

Still - it looks like a good product for other reasons.

Daniel - there are a few other brands. At the racing level there are data logging boxes that will do this and a lot more such as from Pi Research.

At the consumer level, the Escort radar detector folks make the G-Timer (http://www.escortradar.com/gtimer.htm), and a company called Pocketdyno makes the PocketDyno, which uses a Palm OS handheld for its UI (http://www.pdyno.com/)

The Gtech with the latest sw is a beautiful piece of work - the best by far. It DOES suck for the following reasons:

1) RPM sensing doesn't work in the M5 - BMW's ignition noise and alternator noise suppression is evidently better than anybody elses. However it will still log acceleration runs, and record x and Y g's. It has a 3-axis accelerometer which can correct for some things that throw a 2-axis one (like the P-dyno and i think the escort unit.

2) Its display is completely useless if you wear polarized lenses - as I do ALWAYS during the day.

3) It is 100% aimed at drag racers - with a little sw it could do really nice stuff for autocrossers and road racers, such as a friction circle plot, a skidpad mode, and a data logging mode oriented at lapping race course.

I have begged and pleaded with them for 2 years, and have received absolutely no satisfaction. Their customer support is the worst I've ever encountered. (The guy who answers the phone clearly has no real power, so he is at management's mercy. They tell him lies, he repeats them.)

It is a low down dirty shame, because the capability is there, and the unit is elegant in many respects. They just need to write the software.

I have a sample of the p-dyno. Interesting, fairly low quality, doesn't do what I want, looks cheap, hard to use a pilot as a control station. 2-axis accelerometer only, same drag-race-only orientation. It does not sense RPM, nor does the Escort.
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absolute vs. relative

Greg,
I agree about the inaccuracy of the Auterra software, but I think if I do all testing under identical conditions, I should get good "relative" readings. So, for instance, I should be able to measure relateve hp gain after adding PowerChip software or new headers...

I'm not really concerned with getting absolute hp/tq numbers, just measuring if there is a performance gain after I make changes...

Do you think I should be able to do this with this device?

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Here is a test done by a guy with a 750il and a Gpro:

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums...4158050&page=1

Pretty cool if you ask me.
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