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Bigtime007 · 9th October 2003, 01:23

show me proof that Dinan headers make the hp that they claim. Guys lets not forget that we do not drive turbo cars where it is possible to gain 50+hp from a downpipe.

philip youre right about the 4-2-1. But is it desirable to pay $5000 more for 5-7hp?

I wouldnt.

Philip · 9th October 2003, 02:26

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Originally posted by Bigtime007
show me proof that Dinan headers make the hp that they claim. Guys lets not forget that we do not drive turbo cars where it is possible to gain 50+hp from a downpipe.

philip youre right about the 4-2-1. But is it desirable to pay $5000 more for 5-7hp?

I wouldnt.

My point is that you seem to use price comparison as a weapon against Dinan. Dinan charges more simply because their products are better, and the market will bear it (obviously not you). If you want to "mickey mouse" things together and experiment, by all means do it. Try purchasing a set of mustang headers from pepboys and rework them to fit the M5. But stop trivializing the differences between Dinan parts and cheaper ones from other manufacturers. There is a lot of engineering that went into the Dinan design, so they cost more.

My past experience with buying cheaper headers was a headache. They would touch the frame upon hard acceleration, and excessive heat would hurt the starter. A quality, well-engineered solution is worth more money to me.

Don't let your hatred of Dinan blur your vision regarding their parts quality and differences.

ernie · 9th October 2003, 02:55

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Originally posted by Philip
If you want to "mickey mouse" things together and experiment, by all means do it. Try purchasing a set of mustang headers from pepboys and rework them to fit the M5. But stop trivializing the differences between Dinan parts and cheaper ones from other manufacturers. There is a lot of engineering that went into the Dinan design, so they cost more.

Don't let your hatred of Dinan blur your vision regarding their parts quality and differences.

in all honesty, dont you think thats a bit of a stretch? (RD Sport=mickey mouse?)

i see that your location is listed as morgan hill, thats right in Dinan's neighborhood. do you work for dinan?(honest and unbiased question, just in case you are interpreting it otherwise)

ernie

Bigtime007 · 9th October 2003, 02:56

I dont hate Dinan and I am sure that their quality is A1. Never in my post did I say that anything made by Dinan was inferior in any way. I have 11 points accumulated there from the e36 m3 I used to have. So lets set that straight first.

Hey different strokes for different folks, I cant see how Dinan's $2000 intake is any better than a $1200 one from Gruppe M. Im sure Gruppe M didnt slap an intake out of styrofoam. Likewise, for any reputable company to put a product out on the market requires r&d. Your tone makes everyone else other than Dinan seem like Micky Mouse. The header I have pictured werent made by kids bending it on a seesaw. In the end, a header from company a and company b are all made of the same material. The difference is the way the bends are formed, the size and the coating. The headers you got would touch the frame under hard acceleration, maybe you want to check the gaskets and see whether the thing was secured correctly. Im sure it didnt grow fingers that want to touch the frame every time you accelerate.

Im not badmouthing Dinan or their products in anyway. I have been up to their facilities and met Steve Dinan and Jeff Hecox. I know they hire PHD's to engineer their products. Im merely suggesting that $8000 seems a little obnoxious for a header. Hell for $8k I can put this on my G500 and still have a pocketfull of cash to pimp around with.

I dont work for a company that makes headers, and Im certainly not trying to sell anyone anything, so Philip, please dont take this too personally. In a world where an avg HP for a Bimmer costs $100 roughly, I wont be paying $8k for them until they make me 80hp.

Philip · 9th October 2003, 05:04

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Originally posted by ernie
in all honesty, dont you think thats a bit of a stretch? (RD Sport=mickey mouse?)

i see that your location is listed as morgan hill, thats right in Dinan's neighborhood. do you work for dinan?(honest and unbiased question, just in case you are interpreting it otherwise)

ernie

I have just grown tired of a select group of individuals constantly bashing Dinan on this site. You'll need to read other posts from the last 12 months in order to get a better picture.

No, I'm not associated with them other than a customer who has 3 cars serviced there, so I get to see portions of the shop and work taking place. They are very nice people and appear to put a lot of engineering into the products. I would own everything they make if it were not for the high prices. But I don't think the prices are outragous, and neither do a lot of people who are buying them.

My comment regarding the headers comparison stands. The Dinan ones cost much more than the comparison presented above because more engineering time and production cost goes into them. They are made by hand, equal length, 4/2/1, and were tested/modified for quite some time until Dinan decided they were ready. It would be very interesting to see independent performance numbers on both of them.

Bigtime007 · 9th October 2003, 19:35

So what youre saying is that although the prices arent outrageous, you still cant afford it. So essentially, youre saying that if Dinan lowered the prices of their products, you would have more of them.

Well Phillip, you just about said it for a lot of people including me. I would have the S2 package too if it didnt cost the same as a RMS Blower. What you just said proved my point. Sure there are people out there who are willing to spend $8k on a header, but thats a very selected few who either think its really worth it, or just have money to burn and really dont care how much it is. Youre obviously price sensitive as I am. But for me, its not a matter of affordability, I simply cant see the value in a piece of metal with no moving parts costing as much as they are asking. $2000 for headers is fair, $8000 is outrageous.
No one is bashing Dinan here, Im merely stating that their prices are high, and ernie is simply saying that companies other than Dinan arent necessarily Mickey Mouse.

"I would own everything they make if it were not for the high prices. But I don't think the prices are outragous, and neither do a lot of people who are buying them."

gra8fuldd ed · 9th October 2003, 21:36

Philip:

Out of curiousity ... What year M5 do you have and what modifications, if any, have you done to your M5 to date?

Which of the mods that you have done do you feel was "Worth the Most" compared to the money and time invested?

No flame intended ... Just curious since you don't have anything informative listed.

Bigtime007 · 10th October 2003, 01:56

Why is a flywheel for the e46 m3 $600 and Dinan's for the M5 is $3000? Are they that different? Any input appreciated.

phillym5 · 10th October 2003, 06:42

i also think dinan is way overpriced. i will not buy anything with the dinan name on it. i feel like its a hustle, and im not one to get hustled. i cannot believe the headers cost $8,000. and on top of that, they only cliam 26 hp. to get the rest of the horses you need the throttle bodies,i think there $1,000 a piece, and the air meters. thats way to much money for 50 horse. that is a blower from rms or maybe even the nowack conversion. $16,000 for 50 horse.... thats like when i payed $2,500 for the cold air intake that gave maybe 5horse. i got hustled one time. never again. they lost me as a costumer.

josh. p.s. thats just my opinion...not trying to put that on anybody.

jeeperjohn · 11th October 2003, 07:00

When you factor in the cost, you have to look at the risk of damaging a stock manifold when boring it and what it would cost to repalce it. That alone would kill the profit. An E36 M3 throttle body is cheap to replace and common to other models as far as research and setup time (just clamp it down in a vise or make a simple fixture) compared to a M5 manifold.

Setup time is the most expensive on one off items to machine, not the cost of the material (8 throttle plates, screws, and some tubing for velocity stacks).

R & D is costly and with low volume sales, the price goes up.

An easy example of this is to look at the price of aftermarket SB Chevy parts vs. BMW parts. It's the same quality (such as pistons valves, etc), but with low sales volume, you have to pay a higher price.

John