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Old 11th January 2003, 08:47   #1
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Project M3 Killer

O.K. The pressure is now on.

Everyone in the world has a nemisis. Someone whom they compete against and weather friendly or not, You never like to lose against this person.

I have such a Friend/Foe. He is about to order a New 03 M3.

I have placed my order for my 03 Beast. We should get the cars in April.

I have until then to bring about the demise of the M3, in the most sportsman like manner.

In other words Mods, Mods and More Mods.

I want to know all of the Beasts short falls. I know most of its strengths, I want to hear not only its downfalls but the corrections to overcome them.

This Uber Beast MUST BE an M3 Slayer. This will end up on the track, and on the drag strip. We are that competetive, in a fun way.

P.s. I'm talking about performance faults, not interior faults.

For example, I have seen a few posts where stock beasts suffer from under steer.

I have two fixes so far. 1st is the Dinan Lightweight alloys fitted with wider front tyres. The second is a full carbon Fibre Hood. To reduce the front end weight.

I am thinking along the lines of Dinan S2 package. But what other areas is the M3 stronger in, that need strengthening in the M5.

Look forward to an interesting thread, and an M3 KILL.
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Old 11th January 2003, 08:58   #2
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I'm not intimately familiar with the flaws of an M5 as I've only driven one about 10 times; however, it seems to me you gotta start with the fact you are talking about a bigger, heavier car that would have difficulties keeping up with an M3 in the twisties. To become more competitive there - loose some weight and spend some bucks upgrading the suspension.

I'd have to assume stock to stock - you already beat him at a drag strip.

BTW - for us M3 guys - can we help your friend out with his mod ideas to keep you at bay - perhaps he needs to learn about superchargers and what wonderful devices they are!?!?!?
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Old 11th January 2003, 09:06   #3
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- loose some weight and spend some bucks upgrading the suspension.

Yes, The Beast is on a Strick Carbon Fibre diet.

I'd have to assume stock to stock - you already beat him at a drag strip. (Not tested as yet)

BTW - for us M3 guys - can we help your friend out with his mod ideas to keep you at bay - perhaps he needs to learn about superchargers and what wonderful devices they are!?!?!?
NO. ROFL This is my little gold mine of info I've stumbled upon here, not his.

And I have a larger budget to work with. Because we live in O.Z. he hasn't as yet been introduced to MR Dinan.

Its O.K. by me if I'm the first to acquaint him to Dinan Reputation.
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Old 11th January 2003, 09:30   #4
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I would start first with your precision driving technique.
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Old 11th January 2003, 09:34   #5
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I would start first with your precision driving technique.
Been working on that one for about 17 Years now.

I was taught to drive in the police force. I have raced my nemisis a few times, and its 3 Nil to me so far.

BTW He is a Part time Performance driving instructor for BMW,Mercedes, Holden HSV & Ford.

Still doesn't match, fast reflexes and a cool head.
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1. Suspension
2. Massive crash diet for the car
3. More power

In that order.

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Easiest way to make it faster around a track is to add some more negative camber front and use stickier tires (R Compound tires).
A suspension better tuned for track use would help by being harder and also lower the center of gravity.These mods are fairly cheap and one might expect that your friend will do them too.

But with added grip brakes will suffer even more and have to be improved, if you're seirous about going fast then you would need to replace them with Movit, StopTech or similar kit.

Reducing weight will e be costly (i.e use carbon fibre, seats, hood, doors, etc.) and/or destroy the practticality of the car (i.e. rip out interior, sound isolation, use lexan windows, etc.).

You already have enough power to be faster up in speed but if you're friend is going to tune his engine you migh want to do that too. Kellners Sport Stage 2 give a lot of bang for the buck and adds around 65 hp.

But most important and this has already been mentioned, is to get some practice of driving the M5 at a track, preferably with a good race instructor.

IMO, even with all mods the winner of this will be the one who is the better driver.


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1. Suspension
2. Massive crash diet for the car
3. More power

In that order.

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Is the Dinan Suspension the best or is that just over priced Hype as well.

Whilst I want this to beat the M3 on the Track, Both of these cars have to remain daily drivers.

From what I've seen so far I'm leaning towars Variant 2.

Anyone know anything better

As for the Diet, C/F Hood & Splitters. Diana Lightweight wheels.

Suspension should be lighter as well.

I saw a few guys have stainless steel brake lines, different brake fluid and different pads. This sounds good.

I like the idea of the Active Auto Ducts combined with the Dinan CAI. To ram feed cold air to the Dinan setup.

Since living in Australia, I'm going to checkout and Dyno the Powerchip software. They did wonders for my 00 540i.
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The Dinan Stg. III suspension is good, but there are a lot of other suspensions on the market that would probably provide you with an more adjustability so that you can really cook on the track and also have a comfy ride on the road.

ACS DFC Coilover?
KW Varant 2 Coilover?
H&R Coilover?
Koni Coilover?

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DONT get the dinan cai. from my expierience, over time it clogges up the mafs. i lost 37 horsepower from those. im not so sure about the active auto works intakes though. im thinking the dinan lightwieght flywheel might help on the track.
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