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        Old 28th November 2002, 02:34   #1 (permalink)
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        EBC Green Report - Great street pads

        Hey what are those green things?



        They are the EBC Green brake pads I bought and installed a month or so ago. I bought them from Tire Rack, who had limited data on-line for them, but they sounded like what I was after. I wanted a pad for the street, not the track. These pads have a much higher friction coefficient than the stock pads - in fact they have a higher friction coefficient than most (if not all) of the track pads I'm aware of. What they don't have is high-temp fade resistance. I'm not sure how they stack up to the stock pads in this area - clearly the stock pads aren't very fade resistant either. These may even be better, but the specs are very clear that they don't have the super-high temp abilities that true track (or even "street/track") pads have. I don't have any plans to track my car again, but if I do, I will simply put in different pads.

        Break-in instructions were "be gentle for 500 miles" which I was.

        These pads are awesome for the street! At extremely light braking pressures, such as those you'd use to slow from 25mph w/ Gramma in the car - they are pretty much like the stock pads. But from light-moderate all the way up to threshold braking, these puppies bite!. They do this well when cold, but they're even more impressive once they're warmed up a bit (which, in an aggressive stop from much over 35mph they will be, before you reach a stop.) In this condition, moderate braking requires much less pedal pressure than stock. This is particularly good in the M5, because the M5's brake pedal feel with the stock pads sucks - it is very squishy. Squish comes from things stretching and bending - the lines, the pedal mount, the calipers, everything that is involved in translating foot pressure to brake pressure.

        When you only have to press the pedal with, say, 20lbs of force instead of 60lbs for the same braking action, there is far less stretching and bending. You can modulate over a wider range of braking force with less pedal movement. The difference is so dramatic that it takes a little getting used to. In testing them I decided to do a sort of "75% effort" decel from about 80mph getting off the freeway. The brakes grabbed so hard and so instantly it really surprised me - I backed off and re-applied, noticing how much better I could feel them.

        As a side benefit, they are nearly dustless. Huge improvement over the stock pads.

        SO - thumbs up for these pads - with the caveat that I don't know how much abuse they'll take. They are absolutely, positively not recommended for the track for a 4000lb sedan, and I haven't gone on an extended "personal wine country tour" to see how they would hold up under those conditions, which, next to the track, are much harder on the brakes than anything that could be considered (even remotely) street driving. Also, although I don't expect that these pads will be particularly harsh on rotors, I don't have enough miles to pass judgement on that.
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        Old 28th November 2002, 11:11   #2 (permalink)
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        Those are indeed great street pads! Under normal street driving they will last a good time, and very little dust. But mind you, continued spirited driving will eat these pads alive. On my 950 kg car, I fried a set of them in 45 mins of track driving, with a lot of fade. I use the Redstuffs now, take a little warming up, but will take a lot higher temperatures.

        They are also very nice to the discs, but that's because they are pretty soft blocks..

        The friction coefficient is not the highest, EBC green have 0.42, but Ferodo DS 2500 or 3000 have 0.62!!.


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        Old 28th November 2002, 11:43   #3 (permalink)
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        Good info Greg!
        I've used the Red's on some of my other cars but have yet to play with the Greens.
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        EBC's vs Racing's

        has anyone tried Racing pads/disks and can compre with EBC's ?

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        Greg..

        Thanks for your write up on the EBC's...after my dealings with Motor Works West for the Mintex pads, i wanted to deal with a high class set up so based on your post a little back on the EBC's i went for them. I had a little problem with a billing verification with Tire rack but not their fault...my banks.

        Thanks for the write up...i feel better about going with them
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