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Old 17th August 2002, 00:43   #31
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A great,quick ,well suited for high torque engine transmission but
netherless still just a tiptronic which while greatly improved would not hold a candle to SMG
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Old 17th August 2002, 13:16   #32
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Given the new CL's factory power #'s that so few non-exotics have, it may remind one a bit of the Arnage T: the top of the line in mega-power luxo-sport vehicles.

Have had the pleasure of recently flogging an Arnage T a few times. The T is a big car and a real brute. It's not quick in the nimble sense, but is incredibly solid, knocks you into the rear seat when mashing the throttle over 20 mph, is worlds better than the Red Label (50% better roll stiffness, plus mechanically 80% different), and looks downright mean in Black on Black, especially with the aluminum and chrome it has.

The point is: given that the CL weighs 1,000 fewer pounds than the T, will have 50 more bhp and a more sophisticated tranny and more gears / better gearing (although about 125 lb/ft less torque than the T), the CL will be a liveable luxo-rocket. The 3 knocks against the current (approx 360 bhp) CL55/600 is that they need a bit more off the line grunt to move the 4200 pounds, a slightly stiffer suspension, and an exhaust you can actually hear. Those should all be resolved with the new CL's, especially the latter 2 with the 55.

The CL's shape is still one of the nicest ones on the road. Hopefully, the CL55 shifting buttons / tranny will be better than the somewhat lame Touchtronic on pre-'03 CL's.

Things will change again when the mid-size Bentley coupe comes next Fall, with 4500 pounds, all wheel drive, 500 bhp and 650+ pound feet of torque and a paddle shifter.

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Old 18th August 2002, 17:44   #33
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nice!!!!!

Mercedes is king in luxury but I doubt it will be as sporty as a BMW
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Old 18th August 2002, 18:37   #34
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Mercedes is king in luxury but I doubt it will be as sporty as a BMW
As far as brand perception right now goes with the S / CL / 7, I agree, though the new 500 bhp Mercs will change things somewhat: lots more power, a pleasing and non-divisive refined and sporty design, cockpit adjustable suspension, sport packages (wheels, tires, mild body pieces), relatively reliable and usable technology in COMAND (versus iDrive), plus the perceived luxury advantage of the MB brand. And with similar pseudo-manual trannies in the S / CL / 7, the tranny issue is likely to be perceived as a toss-up or moot.

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I donno about that. true thats quite a laundry list of tech, but in the seat of the pants dept is where it will be decided. Maybe the new MBs will be up to the challenge. on command vs. idrive. spent time with both (friends MBs) and they are both good in some places and infurating in others. overall thats a toss up. I wish they would just hire alpine or sony or someone who knows what they are doing instead of trying to get bragging rights on the UI. My one gripe with the high MB power is its not NA and for me, thats a gripe. Nothing beats the instant on NA power and strong "heart" of the BMW engines.
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the E55 might be the new king of the hill
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Looks like the quibbles with my current CL have been answered for my next CL..
  • Improved ABC suspension
    New DVD based COMAND system
    MORE POWER!!!
    Deep louder quad exhaust, at over 100dB
    MORE POWER!!!

Now just the waiting
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Unlike my beloved BMW, Mercedes seems to have a coherent design strategy across all products that is heading in the right direction. If BMW doesn't get the Bangle out of its designs my M5 may be the last BMW I ever own. When MB finally goes to a true paddle shifted manual like on the M3 I will be sold. While there are always things to nitpick on a design, these new Mercedes are all beautiful cars, that are unmistakeably MB. Compare this to the new 7, Z4, and spy shots of the upcoming 6 and 5 series.

Come On BMW! Your design department is off course and needs new direction.

Kudos to MB for getting it right. (much as I hate to admit it)
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I dont get it...

Everyone was complaing about this one-sausage different lengths thing ... and now BMW decides to try and change it and everyone is STILL complaining? (nothing against the poster above.. I've just seen the above complaint constantly used to the point that its annoying to see now).

What the heck is wrong with that scenario?

I much prefer different looking designs versus all the cars looking the same. Can you tell one MB apart from another without looking at the badge on the rear? I think not!


The E60 will blow us all away. Just wait and see!
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Can't wait to race them...
Hehe, they won't wait for you to be raced
As Gustav said "A M5 V10 now please but keep Bangles away from the design "
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