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post #1 of 35 Old 6th July 2012, 03:21 PM Thread Starter
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Please no more "use the search function"

My closest friend at work has an E60 M5 and another with an E39 agrees with me that there's become too much use of the phrase, "use the search funtion," when a one sentence answer can sometimes be just as quick. I know this car has been around for a decade and probably everything that could be asked has been asked and answered, but it definitely takes the wind out of the sails of a new forum member when you hit him with use the search funtion. If you're embracing new technology, accessing the board on your Iphone or smartphone - it's almost impossible to read all the answers in search on your small screen, and it takes f o r e v e r even with a WiFi hook up to your phone. I was a moderator on the NSX forum for years and we deleted all posts that had use the search funtion as a reply, except in one case that is similar to the M5 - oil threads.
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This has been discussed - search for the threads.

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Most people actually use search. You just don't know because they don't post additional threads. In fact, additional threads dilute the knowledge pool and makes it very hard to find information. The playful banter that we sometimes have here only adds to the scrolling necessary to find proper information, but it's a side-effect.

However, I will concede that posts that simply say "use search" aren't helpful. A proper answer along with some links should accompany the "use search" recommendation. Example:

We've actually discussed this a few times. I personally prefer XXXXXX. If you do a search for *insert keywords,* you'll find plenty of results.

Link 1

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Civil and not snarky.

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Diny's solution is a good one that I have employed with success on other boards. The other option is simply ignoring such threads, which is damaging to the knowledge base as well given they remain unanswered and contribute to useless search results.
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Originally Posted by ACHTUNGM5 View Post
post anything you want when you want
+1 !

Otherwise we are possibly limiting new solutions and concepts

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when a one sentence answer can sometimes be just as quick
And typing your query in the search box instead of a long-winded post that will get "use the search" replies is even quicker. You don't even have to wait for responses, imagine that.

If you're embracing new technology, accessing the board on your Iphone or smartphone - it's almost impossible to read all the answers in search on your small screen, and it takes f o r e v e r even with a WiFi hook up to your phone.
How is this different from reading the responses to your new thread, adding the time constantly checking your thread for responses assuming you get an answer within reasonable time? Typing up a new thread is also a pain in the *** on a smartphone which makes the search box even more convenient.

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You are depriving yourself from valuable ancillary, secondary and even tertiary information if you do NOT search FIRST before posting a question that has been answered ad nauseam. You are also cluttering the board with NEEDLESS questions.

There is no problem asking a question or even creating a NEW thread if there is something you don't UNDERSTAND about some of the information that you found when you first SEARCHED but if you are simply too lazy (and that is the persona that you are putting out there) then you will reap what you sow.

Or, maybe you had difficulty using the search function but if you first SEARCHED on "how to search" I GUARANTEE that you would find information on how to find what you want or, at the very least, improve those search results.

So, you're a new member. Helllllo-o-o-o-o, I've been there, too. We all start as new member. Like this thread of mine:
LINK 1: Timing chain cover bolt leak

If you are going to let a response like chowdah's make you all sad and stuff, I can't help you. In short, we all suck at first. But notice that I stated that I searched and even displayed some of that information that I found. Is THAT really too much to ask

And simply ASKING if you have searched is ABSOLUTELY warranted because it gives the rest of us a scope of reference of just how clueless you actually are.

Even if you said, "I searched for this and that and didn't find anything." I might answer, "Search for this: _______ and you will find what you need. Post back if you have any questions." Kind of like chowdah did in my valve cover leak thread. Guess what? I found that you have to be careful when tightening those bolts back up, that the grommet itself is able to be replaced individually and how to remove and install the old and new grommet, respectively, on the bolt.

Why should chowdah have had to say all of that to a newbie when it was all there for the reading???? Secondary information that I found was how to R/R the valve cover gaskets which led me to install powder coated valve covers myself. Tertiary information that I found was details on all of the consumables under the intake plenum that can lead to poor performance, idle issues and DTCs.

Would I say I gained from the "Search, newbie." response?

Absolutely. Yes, and I would not be so knowledgeable if it were NOT for THAT very answer.

If you look at some of the threads that I have created SINCE THEN asking questions or concerning subjects that I KNOW are covered ad nauseam because I searched FIRST, I kindly post links to those threads that I found IN THE FIRST POST. See here:
LINK 2: Persistent DSC light revisited

You know why?

Because it not also makes readers of my thread feel like I RESPECT their time enough not to waste it with stupid questions that have already been answered but also if SOMEONE did actually show some personal initiative and search FIRST, they would find my thread and lo and behold several ADDITIONAL thread links to help them out.

If you never even took the time in the beginning to SEARCH, then you wouldn't find this information then, would you?

Basically MY threads are worth a crap while a simple one sentence question is not. Of course, I have years of experience now in using the board tools, so that is certainly to be expected. Okay, point taken. But remember, we ALL were there once.

I am not your personal search assistant. I will help you if I get the feeling that you want to be a part of this community but if you are just here for ANSWERS, well, maybe I would rather you just didn't stay.

And I FREQUENTLY use my phone for forum purposes and I am quite impressed with the load speed even on network roaming 3G. If the search results are that difficult to read on the small phone screen and the answer to your question is not important enough to you that you wouldn't at least wait until you got to a computer to ask it, then maybe it really isn't that important. In short, THAT is NOT an EXCUSE.

Harsh, perhaps, but that is where I am coming from.


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Its a deal! I rarely say it because like an idiot I repeat the answer over and over. Sometimes I will have explained something in detail and then I usually give a little hint search vanos maintenance and my user name something like that. For you I will just not respond, or are you really asking to have it explained one more time because you are too lazy to look for the answer. Ya we should all do something for you because you are too lazy to do it for yourself? It is guys like you that give Newbies a bad name.
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