I am having quite a dilema. Curently I have an 01 E46 M3 with 31k miles on it. I am worried that I will have motor problems later after the warrantee so I want to trade it in for something once the warantee runs out. I definately will get something other than the M3, so keeping that is not an option. Maybe another M3, but thats beyond the question. Anyway...here goes. I have always loved the M5. But....I've also always loved the Supra. I am absolutely nuts over turbo noises. Literaly, I will roll down my window and savor the sweet whine of a turbo and blow off valve, even if it's in an integra. Im that crazy about em. I have seen a few gorgeous Supra's and they seem very luxurious not M5 luxurious, but no rice rockets by any means. I figure, Im gonna be 20 in October, I can enjoy the comforts of the M5 later in life. But the Supra is more of a young persons car. I really cant decide, I love them both. What are your opinions on this? I figure if I can get a good condition 98-97 Supra TT, with a manual, spend maybe $3k on mods it will run around 500 HP, which is plenty. And make it looks nice, restore it to near new looks. Or......a 2003 M5, with luxury and speed...but no turbo. I cant decide.
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The old Supras were fun, but...you think you're going to get to 500 reliable HP for $3000? Ah, the naivete of youth handing money to the automotive aftermarket.
The Supra motor is strong, and there's a fair number of 500HP Supras running around, but you're starting with a 5 year old car, and by the time you're done making the combination live and put power down you'll be spending a whole lot more than $3K.
The Supra is a "young person's car"? Okay, it's got two doors, but it's nearly as heavy as the M5. '97-98 Turbos in the US were all "sports roof" cars, I'd look for an early one without the "sports roof", the car is lighter and stiffer without it.
My buddy at work has a "Ferrari Red" 98 twin turbo supra. While the car is quite fast, and runs around 350HP, he's put about 5K into the car already. He's mentioned to me on a number of occassions that to get to 400 HP would run him another 10K, which equates to bigger turbos.
Anyway, it's a great car, very low to the ground and feels like a rocket. BUT, it's somewhat rough riding, and you know when you're driving 80mph, or 100mph, whereas in the bmw you can drive 100 and it feels like 60.
As mentioned above, apples to oranges. You'll spend close to 15K getting 500 HP reliably, and the feel of the car is nothing like the M5. With the exception of the turbo kick, I'd go M5 every day of the week, and twice on Sundays. The cost difference of a 2003 M5 vs. a turbo supra would probablly allow you to buy two supras, but you know your pocket book...
the bpu supras (basic package upgrade) when done right make abput 375-450 rwhp and cost you around $3000. i actually know quite a few folks that run 500+ rwhp on stock turbos. however, once you hit 550 rwhp or so things get expensive. new turbo(s), fuel system, large intercoolers, etc. the 700+ rwhp supras have about $12000-20000 in relevant upgrades- still dirt cheap for what you get.
however, as it was mentioned above with a used turbo car you are getting a cat in a bag- you have no idea how the car was treated and if it not on its last leg.
the sportsroof cars are not very stiff and you get very visible cow shake with the roof off (less when roof on).
and i totally agree about the apples and oranges. make up you mind. if you want a turbo- get a turbo. it is that simple.
Welcome to my world I right now own a Supra, but one day am hoping to have an M5. As I get older, I see that the Supra is becoming less and less attractive, it's small inside, drinks gas, it attracts attention from local police quite a bit, and I get mean stares from the neighbors. I can say this though, the car will get girls, if you want girls, get a Supra, they will be all over you. It handles like it's on rails, it will go 194 mph. Mods start to get expensive after 650 hp. I've actually priced out how much it would cost for me to get to 800 hp, I'd end up spending about $20,000. Then I realized I dont really want to get to 800 hp, I'm happy with 430. It is a dream to drive, people think it's a Ferrari, a Porsche, a Lamborghini..etc. Not many people recognize it as a Toyota. You get exclusivity, as only 11,000 Supra's in total were sold in the US for the 4th gen (MKIV - 1993.5-1998 USDM). If your looking for bolt on power, and pushing you back in your seat, scaring the **** out of your passenger kind of power, the Supra is it. I go to sleep every night looking forward to driving the next morning, but I'm realistic, I know sooner or later I'm going to have to get rid of my 2 door sports car. The sounds of a turbo car are intoxicating, I love the way everyone stops and looks when the BOV goes off. I love hearing the whine of the turbo's as they spool up when I'm on the freeway. Your still young, so I think you'd have alot of fun with the car, as I have. But it doesnt last forever, just remember that.
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