JVRoberts

Hi Group - I realize I don't have an M5, but I find this group to be a wealth of knowledge when it comes to the OBC/Nav/Entertainment system in the E39. I have searched the archives and found alot of great information, some rather old. I wanted to post this message to you in hopes of gathering more current information, if it's available.

I have had my 2002 530i for about 3 weeks now and have logged about 2000 miles.

I don’t know if these things are ‘as designed’ or if they are actually problems. I plan on addressing them with a BMW Center when I have time, but until then, maybe you folks have some of the same issues and have a fix.

I gather that the general consensus is that v5.0 of the software is still very buggy. For the record, my software version is 3-1/50, or v5.0. This is the latest and greatest (subjective) as far as I can tell. My BMW Center has confirmed this.

I do not have DSP and I’m using a BMW CD Changer (part number ends in 404) from my 1999 528i. No aftermarket mods to the system at this time.

Alarm – Visual Acknowledgement
I have my alarm set to beep and flash the lights upon arm/disarm. When arming or disarming it, the flash of the lights is not in synch with the beeps I hear. The flash is delayed. On my 1999 528i, the beeps and flashes were in synch.

Normal or problem?

OBC – Instrument Cluster Display
It doesn’t remember the setting when I shut down the car and return to it later. If I set the display to “Time” for instance, it remains as I drive, but the next time I use the car the display is reset or blank again. My 528i remembered what I set it at (Outside Temp usually) from use to use.

Question: Is there any way to change the order and/or the readings that are displayed when tabbing through using the turn signal stalk button? My E36 allowed me to adjust the order of the displayed items and I’d expect this car to do the same. FYI, RTFM is not appropriate as the one shipped with my car is for version 4.0 of the software, not version 5.0 that is installed in my car. My Center is looking into ordering me an updated manual, if it exists.

CD Disk/Track – Instrument Cluster Display
I get no display of CD/Track in the instrument cluster, except after I use the steering wheel controls to skip a track. Then I see “CDC d – t” where d=disk, t= track, in the informational display area. I do not see this when changing tracks using the monitor control buttons.

Furthermore, the instrument cluster display seems to get stuck on one CD/Track while the Nav monitor displays the correct one. Last night I was listening to a CD with 17 tracks, the cluster display stopped at #11 while the monitor continued to display the track correctly.

Also, if I’m listening to a CD and the CD/Track is displayed in the cluster message area, then I switch to the Radio, the CD/Track remains displayed until the car is shut down again. This doesn’t seem normal to me.

Radio – Station # Display in Nav Monitor
I find that while scanning stations, manually or automatically, the station display in the Nav monitor is slow to react. By the time a station is displayed on the screen, I may already be listening to the next station I scanned to.

Should I also see this information in the Instrument Cluster message area?

Nav Monitor – Preset Station Display
I was told that I should see a list of my preset radio stations in the box below the Station #/Call Sign when in that mode for viewing. I do not see any preset information, or anything else in this box, when listening to the radio or CD.

Nav – Voice Volume
When I change the Nav Volume on the Settings page, no apparent difference is audible no matter where I set it. It seems to be constant no matter what the volume of the audio system is. When the radio volume is low, I can hear the voice fine. When the radio is loud, the voice isn’t quite as audible. With the radio off completely, the voice is fine.

If I set it (on settings page) to Max, I notice that the voice mutes the music completely. When I set it to the middle, the music lowers, but doesn’t mute completely. Maybe this is what the setting is supposed to do. I would expect the nav voice volume to be proportional to the stereo volume and related to the setting I make on the Settings page. This is not the case.

Often times when the nav voice chimes in, I hear a clicking sound through the speakers. It appears to be worse when the stereo volume is louder, but I have heard it when the stereo volume is low as well.

I have learned how to enter the Service menu to adjust the TP Volume (Telephone) as apparently the Nav voice uses the same setting. Doing this has allowed me to adjust the base volume of the Nav voice, but the Settings page stills seems to only affect the muting characteristics, not the volume of her voice.

Nav – Address Book
When entering an address for the Address Book, there is no way to input a street number or intersection. Does this make sense?

Jeff

JFB

Mine are synchronized. Why does it matter?Known bug introduced in v18.3, as I recall.You can select what is displayed, but the order on the OBC above the wheel is the same as in the list from which you select on the Nav screen.The same on mine. The OBC display does not change when you make a change using the monitor buttons. The disk and track are displayed on the OBC for about 15 seconds only if you change the CD with the wheel buttons, then the display returns to whatever was showing in the OBC. Same with changing radio stations. The wheel input does change the Nav screen display. I assume that the designers figured that you are looking at the display associated with the input device you are using, so if you are making changes on the Nav screen buttons, the OBC display is static.I've not had that problem. The CD player in my car is, however, incredibly slow to initialize. It takes about 2 minutes before the CD starts to play.I have not seen that problem. I did experience a bug in switching from radio to CD. I had pushed the "Info" button while in radio mode, then I switched the mode to CD. The screen continued to display the PTY and RDS entry buttons while in the CD mode. It only cleared up when I changed disks.I don't have that problem. The display seems to keep up pretty well with station changes.Not designed to show that, as far as I know, unless you are changing stations on the steering wheel. Then, it should show you the station preset number (e.g., A1) and the frequency. It appears for about 15 seconds.The radio station, call sign and program type (e.g., "Rock") are displayed in the bar at the top of the screen. What is displayed depends on the signal from the station. I see nothing in the box below, except the PTY and RDS soft buttons that appear if I push the "Info" button. Have you tried pushing the "Info" button and selecting RDS or PTY?Others on this board have reported the same problem. I don't have this problem in my vehicle.No. I can enter a "house" address or intersecting street. You do that as if you were entering a destination for Nav guidance. Once you've input that information, switch to Address Book, then to Enter Address. Name the entry and store it. That will put the street address or intersection into the address book.

Has anyone noticed that in v19 the clock set button does not work with the car in motion?

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JVRoberts

Whatever...

Thanks JFB for your comments. Between you and the guys at Roadfly, I now have it all understood.

Waiting on v5.1 with hopes they fix the bugs right this time!

Jeff

Richard in NC

Jeff;
I have the v 41 version of the software but most of my answers would be the same as JFBs. The good news is the bugs are just quirkly little things that you can live with until resolved. It is a shame that an expensive car can have so many little issues but it appears BMW puts the money into engineering which is where it counts. I guess the quirky features of the Nav give the car a personality much like the mole on Cindy Crawford.

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