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        Old 12th April 2002, 05:53   #1 (permalink)
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        Short Shifter comparison

        I have narrowed my choices to 2 Short Shifters.

        The first is Rogue Engineering

        http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merc...egory_Code=SSK


        The Second is Autosolutions
        http://www.autosolutions.net/constru...ion_index.html

        Atomic 80 has the Autosolutions, and Dave Z has the the Rogue

        I'm kinda leaning towards the Autosolutions due to it's 1 piece construction: here is what the owner of Autosolutions wrote,

        " What I would recommend is to go with the complete kit and unless you enjoy working underneath your car to have it professionally installed.
        We do not sell the adjustable kit directly . you can purchase such kit from BMP design.
        If you plan to get rid of your car in the short term then you may want to just purchase the basic kit and not have to pay for the longer install time.
        The complete kit come preassembled (as a way for us to ensure fit) When installing you will need to disconnect one of the two joints and install the lever separately from the rest of the kit. A special tool is included to disconnect the factory lever .
        To order please call 816 5614269 I will be happy to help you with the procedure. we accept all major CCs.
        San Leandro is a bit restrictive, We mostly sell to large catalogs and distributors or individuals so our shop database is small. We have had however a good relationship with a few shops who have been installing our kits over the years. If you send me your area code I will run it against our data base and try to come up with a good independent close to you.

        Best regards

        Ronald


        These figures represent the approximate % of reduction in throw the kit provides. we offer a 25% and a 35% for the M5. Typically M5 owners choose the 35% which seems to offer the best compromise between short /precise throw and additional effort. the higher the reduction the higher the effort. This goes for all kits. (it is a simple lever and there is no way to cheat the laws of physic) Actually there is . A rigid lever feels like it requires less effort than a soft lever. This is because the force applied is applied more directly into the mechanism to be actuated. But this is a subjective measurement at best. When measured with a scale both the soft and the hard lever require the same amount of force . I would recommend the 35% and in the unlikely event you need a different lever we will exchange the lever at no charge (except shipping) . typical labor on swapping levers is about 40 minutes.

        As for the part shown in your email, it appears as a 1.125 ID steel split collar like ( http://www.mscdirect.com/PDF.process?pdf=3784&Keyword=Y) in the MSC catalog. My guess is that it is used to add mass to the factory lever and to make it more rigid. The factory lever uses a plastic pivot ball and a spun aluminium upper lever. As a result it is about 1/2 the weight of our lever. Additionally the bonding of the rubber is not perfect thus there is about 1/16 to 3/64 inches of play between the upper and lower shifter. My guess is that -beyond its contribution to weight- the split collar crimps the bottom of the aluminum lever in an attempt to eliminate some of that play and add rigidity to the assembly.
        Please understand that these comments are conjectures as I am unfamiliar with the actual RE shifter. Indeed RE may be better suited to comment on the function of this part.

        Since I have not had complaints of noise I would have to address it as a new issue if it occurs. I think I mentioned in my previous email that our shifter has a positive feel to it which means that you will feel the presence of a mechanism in your hand when shifting but would hear no noise when your hand is off the shifter. hypothetically, in the event you have a noise issue, we could add weight to the shifter using any of the inexpensive collars shown in the above mentioned URL. and more importantly rather than simply adding the weight we would move it up and down the shaft in order to find a vibration node and cancel the unwanted resonance. Beyond that, I would need to research the problem.

        I think I addressed all your questions. In case I missed something or alternatively should you want more answers or express any comments, please do not hesitate to contact me by phone (816 5614269) or by email.

        Best regards

        Ronald "

        There it is in a nutshell

        Who here has installed the SS themselves?
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        Old 12th April 2002, 06:31   #2 (permalink)
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        See this thread regarding installation

        http://www.bmwm5.com/vbulletin/showt...=uuc+nightmare
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        Old 12th April 2002, 07:29   #3 (permalink)
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        Quote:
        Originally posted by CM5GO
        See this thread regarding installation

        http://www.bmwm5.com/vbulletin/showt...=uuc+nightmare
        That thread is NOT representative of your typical short shift installation! This one is more typical: http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums...=543322&page=1
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        Old 12th April 2002, 09:13   #4 (permalink)
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        hEY dAVE!

        i just realized that You are the the Same Dave i've been emailing. How have you bean? What do you think about both of the shifters i have discussed above. I know you have the RE SS and Atomic 80 has the Autosolutions.

        How would you compare the 2? It is truly a tough decision. I haven't checked out anyone elses M5 in order to see which I would like. At this point I will have to make a decision on research and Posts.



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        Old 12th April 2002, 09:20   #5 (permalink)
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        I think that in this case you would just have to make a leap of faith here. Both are good shifters. You'll find that a large number of us are probably biased towards the ones that we do have. I vouch for the one from autosolutions obviously. Either way you can go no wrong.

        You will LOVE the SSK.
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        Quote:
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        I think that in this case you would just have to make a leap of faith here. Both are good shifters. You'll find that a large number of us are probably biased towards the ones that we do have. I vouch for the one from autosolutions obviously. Either way you can go no wrong.

        You will LOVE the SSK.
        A healthy (and unfortunatly rare) attitude. I agree that the Rogue Engineering, UUC Motorwerks, and Autsolutions shifters are all good products. Each one has its minor advantages and disadvantages and none are perfect ... yet.

        You'll have to decide based on the various trade-offs of:

        1. ease of installation
        2. price
        3. throw reduction
        4. transmission of noise into the cabin
        5. fear, uncertainty, and doubt (minimize this)

        Each of the vendors has reasons why the other products are inferior or will fail prematurely or will age poorly. Bottom line is that these shifters are close to commodity products and the vendors have to struggle to differentiate them.
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        Old 12th April 2002, 17:52   #7 (permalink)
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        Dave,

        Believe I recall reading a write-up you did about the Rogue Engineering shifter on the BMW Tips & Tricks web site. The thing that I came away with was how great the UUC shifter was relative to all the side parts that you get such as the tool that aids in stock shifter removal and packet of grease. I think it's safe to correlate a company's web page and product packaging with the overall quality of the product. UUC is top notch and their Adobe install instructions are well written and very informative.

        Having said all that, I don't believe you can go wrong with either UUC, Rogue, or AutoSolutions. If you do go with UUC or Rogue, make sure you score the Weighted Selector Rod (WSR) from Rogue. Dave did a nice write-up on this which prompted me to buy one. I love it!

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        Old 13th April 2002, 15:57   #8 (permalink)
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        Anyone know of a good short shifter available in the UK??

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        p.s. Do they really increase cabin noise?
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        Got my car back this weekend with the Autosolutions shifter installed.......I love it.
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