I have an appointment with All German Auto in the morning to try and resolve this once an for all. They will remove my CATS, Remove the collectors, reseat them onto the header pipes ALL the way. IF this cannot be done for whatever reason, I will ask them to cut to length so that they will, then re-fit the CATS into place.
I will attempt to supply pics and further info tommorrow.
I have an appointment with All German Auto in the morning to try and resolve this once an for all. They will remove my CATS, Remove the collectors, reseat them onto the header pipes ALL the way. IF this cannot be done for whatever reason, I will ask them to cut to length so that they will, then re-fit the CATS into place.
I will attempt to supply pics and further info tommorrow.
Steve
Steve,
Please ask your shop to make sure that the collectors actually can be slid all the way in, free of any bind, to the point that the primary pipes bottom against the end of each swaged section of the collectors.
Under any circumstance, do NOT let the shop crew cut the primaries' ends shorter, as this will make the donut rings loose their seal.
The inner surface of each ring is 45mm, while the enlarged end of the primaries also is 45mm.
The overall lenght of the enlarged end is approx. 60mm.
Cutting it shorter, even by a small amount, will make the collector sit higher only by very little, but most important, it will take a section of the 45mm diameter pipes away from under the rings, and make the rings' inner surface meet a much smaller, 42mm diameter pipe.
If this modification is done, the rings will loose their 45mm seat, and will never seal, even if they are replaced with a set of new ones, and the entire headers is wasted, once for all.
If you headers currently leak, or sit too low, cutting them shorter will not solve your problem.
Please wait, till we post the remaining photos of both the right and the left cilynder banks.
I noticed in the first 2 pics that it doesn't have the plate/springs nor the seal rings?
Quick question: Is there a specific order that the primaries sit into the collector? My indy has taken them off 2 times and he swears they don't go in any other way. I have seen pictures online, but IIRC the primaries (except the second primary from the front) have the same flange-shape(?)/hole orientation to the cylinder banks.
Can you please post more of a side/angle view of the collector to see more of the primaries.
Here's a pic of mine for comparison. I've lost count on the endless hours spent staring at this pic
Waiting in anticipation, as Steve's approach also crossed my mind....
Thanks for the update! Glad I read this before talking to my shop. We were considering cutting as well. Looks like we will hold off on that method for awhile. The car is still undergoing surgery and transplants from my wrecked e39 m5 (time consuming indeed!) so I may be able to get some pictures of the mounting while it is up on a lift. Would this be of any use??
Please ask your shop to make sure that the collectors actually can be slid all the way in, free of any bind, to the point that the primary pipes bottom against the end of each swaged section of the collectors.
Under any circumstance, do NOT let the shop crew cut the primaries' ends shorter, as this will make the donut rings loose their seal.
The inner surface of each ring is 45mm, while the enlarged end of the primaries also is 45mm.
The overall lenght of the enlarged end is approx. 60mm.
Cutting it shorter, even by a small amount, will make the collector sit higher only by very little, but most important, it will take a section of the 45mm diameter pipes away from under the rings, and make the rings' inner surface meet a much smaller, 42mm diameter pipe.
If this modification is done, the rings will loose their 45mm seat, and will never seal, even if they are replaced with a set of new ones, and the entire headers is wasted, once for all.
If you headers currently leak, or sit too low, cutting them shorter will not solve your problem.
Please wait, till we post the remaining photos of both the right and the left cilynder banks.
Alessandro Gilli
Supersprint
Italy
Alessandro and all,
Thank you for the info with regards to cutting. Unfortunately, I got into my car this morning to drive 1 1/2 hours to AGA and as soon as I put it in reverse to back out of the garage, the shift linkage dropped!
Rogue WSR bolt dropped out...Crap!
Short of it is, I had to cancel my appointment for now.
Thank you for the info with regards to cutting. Unfortunately, I got into my car this morning to drive 1 1/2 hours to AGA and as soon as I put it in reverse to back out of the garage, the shift linkage dropped!
Rogue WSR bolt dropped out...Crap!
Short of it is, I had to cancel my appointment for now.
Steve
Steve... I had the exact same thing happen with my WSR except I was blowing through a gear on the street. I nearly pissed my pants as I thought the tranny went. Get the newer designed WSR and you will be fine. Rogue needs to recall the older designs in time its going to happen to all of them.
My collectors are much shorter than these. How can I get this version of them?
Which one of these collectors' versions do you have?
Please keep in mind that, regardless of the different design, they have the same inlet-to-outlet, overall lenght and fitment specs, and they are totally interchangeable with each other.
Replacing one version with the other will not have any effect on the functionality of the SS headers.
If you say that your current collectors are totally different from either of the above parts, they must have been modified.
If they do differ, please post a photo, for evaluation.
Alessandro Gilli
Supersprint
I noticed in the first 2 pics that it doesn't have the plate/springs nor the seal rings?
Quick question: Is there a specific order that the primaries sit into the collector? My indy has taken them off 2 times and he swears they don't go in any other way. I have seen pictures online, but IIRC the primaries (except the second primary from the front) have the same flange-shape(?)/hole orientation to the cylinder banks.
Can you please post more of a side/angle view of the collector to see more of the primaries.
Here's a pic of mine for comparison. I've lost count on the endless hours spent staring at this pic
Waiting in anticipation, as Steve's approach also crossed my mind....
Erick
Erick, we have simply slid the collectors onto the primaries, without installing the entire flange/sealing ring + spring kit, since we can swap the older and the newer collectors back and forth more easily, then make measurements and take photos.
The lack of the sealing kit will not affect the final height of the collector, nor its ground clearance.
Needless to say, we will install the seals before running the engine and dyno testing the car.
The primaries obviously have a fixed order, and cannot be swapped around. Your shop's statement is correct.
The order of the primaries on the SS LHD headers is different from the SS RHD version, but the exit point of the 4 primaries on each bank is the same, on both types of headers.
Unfortunately, we cannot install the RHD primaries on the LHD testbed car, which we have at our factory at this time, hence no possibilty to take photos of the RHD headers installed.
From what I see in the photo you have posted, it looks like your right-side headers assembly had been installed properly.
When installed correctly, one of the primaries should sit about 10mm further away from the subrfame, at their closest point (see photo), while the upper side of the collector sits at a 8 to 12mm distance from the chassis floor.
Do not forget that the heat shields may be warped, slightly, so you could actually see a smaller distance on your car; but the shield foil can be esily bent back to its original form, by hand.
When the proper mounting procedure is done, the final ground clearance of the collector's main 70m pipe will then be just fine, being almost flush with the chassis lower surface.
If clearance is not sufficient, loosening the 8 nuts on the primaries's flanges and realigning the entire headers upwards or downwards, provides for the necessary degree of adjustability of the collectors' height.
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