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Old 8th March 2010, 02:43   #1
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SES light. What codes turn it on?

As many of you know I purchased an '03 M5 in August 2008 with 81k miles on it. The car currently has near 92k. I've never had an SES light (yes it works), but I was wondering exactly what sets it off. I ask simply because I do not own a Peake tool or similar scanner.

I guess what I'm asking is a two-part question:
Does the SES only light up when there's a 'serious' emissions problem?
Are there any meaningful codes that I could find w/ a scanner, but that do NOT set off the light?

Just wondrin'...
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The OBD in our cars can set off a soft code or a hard code. A hard code will trigger the SES. I dont know what standard is used to set off the code. I have had a few "soft codes" which I have pulled from the OBD, yet didnt trigger the SES.

Smog isnt the only thing that will set off the light. Not sure if this helps you.

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As many of you know I purchased an '03 M5 in August 2008 with 81k miles on it. The car currently has near 92k. I've never had an SES light (yes it works), but I was wondering exactly what sets it off. I ask simply because I do not own a Peake tool or similar scanner.

I guess what I'm asking is a two-part question:
Does the SES only light up when there's a 'serious' emissions problem?
Are there any meaningful codes that I could find w/ a scanner, but that do NOT set off the light?

Just wondrin'...
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NO. It can come on due to out of spec. numbers. For example, my old 528e (a sweet ride), used to always trigger the SES going down the north side of the Grapevine (a big hill on I-5 in Southern California). First time I stopped and checked under the hood, and everything looked fine. Restarted, and no SES. Same thing happened each time I took that route. The north side of the Grapevine is very steep and needed NO throttle ... just coast at an easy 70 to 80 MPH for many miles. Near the bottom of the "hill," the electronics saw a very, very lean mixture (DUH), and set the emissions code (and, MPG was 99.9). My Mother had the 528e for over 15 years (I sometimes drove it up north during that time), and it ALWAYS passed the smog test with flying colors.

Absolutely. Many codes that have nothing to do with emissions. i.e., faulty siphon pump. And, the very important, holding down a seat adjustment button for too long (really, it does trigger a code, although the Peake "may" not display it, the console "secret" display does).

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I've wondered this as well. Also, if there are any soft emissions-related codes but the CEL never comes on, can the car still fail the OBD2 emissions test?
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I've wondered this as well. Also, if there are any soft emissions-related codes but the CEL never comes on, can the car still fail the OBD2 emissions test?
ABSOLUTELY. There are issues with "not ready" conditions that will cause you to fail emissions. I had 4 "not ready" conditions on my 318, but NO SES light ... I failed, but it was because I hadn't run the "Federal Drive Cycle" after resetting with a Peake. Do a search.
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ABSOLUTELY. There are issues with "not ready" conditions that will cause you to fail emissions. I had 4 "not ready" conditions on my 318, but NO SES light ... I failed, but it was because I hadn't run the "Federal Drive Cycle" after resetting with a Peake. Do a search.
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No no, you're misunderstanding my question. I know about the not-ready monitors and I failed emissions because I reset my codes the night before. I want to know the following: assuming all of the monitors are READY and monitoring and a soft code gets thrown for evap fuel tank valve - the code is soft because the CEL does NOT get illuminated - would this cause the car to fail emissions?
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Thanks guys. Was debating whether I should buy a Peake just 'to have' and see what codes might be lurking...or just wait for the SES as a good excuse to get one.
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Just buy it so you have one when you need it instead of waiting after the fact.

I had SES light before I bought Peake. I had to meet up with 2 board members to borrow their Peake (Great members!!!). I was trying to save $$$ from buying code reader but I ended up paying dealership for diagnostic since I couldn't reset the fault codes to determine what was really causing the codes.

Dealership was trying to convince me to do other maintenance that had no relation to SES light. If it wasn't for Peake reader I prolly would've agreed to $4,500 of miscellaneous maintenance that are totally DIY.
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Totally agree with Malexgcab!! Best mod money spent. I check for codes once a month

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