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Old 23rd November 2008, 23:08   #11
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FIT and FINISH ...
the fit and finish was very good. In fact the body panels are tighter than the E60.
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I would wait till the BIG 3 are back in the game. If you buy one right now, you dont know if they will go into bankruptcy by the end of the year. And I would bet that getting service done to the car after the bankruptcy would be hard as hell since most dealers would close up their doors. CTS-V isnt a bad car at all, but then again its american. Top Gear did a review on it recently. It was the second episode of sesason 12. I agree with some other board members on here that its does take 1-2 years after the car release to get the bugs all sorted out. The old CTS-V was a piece of crap. But with this, they have def. stepped up and sorted it all out. I dont know why GM is releasing high horsepower cars when they know they are in financial trouble. Very stupid mistakes by CEOs. They are burning close to 2 billion every month! Now that is just ridicioulous. Maybe you can pick up an 09' E60 M5 with low miles by the middle of next year and still pay close to CTS-V numbers. I know this market is bad, but it is an excellent time to pick up a new car. Friend just picked up a 99' 360 for close to 70k. You can pick up a V8 Vantage for 70k-80k. Market for high horsepower exotic cars have plummeted. Personally, I would just look around everywhere throughout the country for these sweet ***** deals if you're in the market for one. Good luck and keep us posted on what you decided to get.

Retard, its pretty clear that you have only idea what you're talking about in regards to the big 3. A filing of Chapter 11 doesnt not mean a company closes its doors, but rather a protection from creditors while it reorgs.

Furthermore, what the hell do you mean "...but then again it's American"?
It appears youre in Altanta. Last time I checked, Altanta is in America! Well, if you dont like it...
Finally, Aston, until recently, was owned by FORD. That company is headquartered in Detriot, which is also in America.
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Old 24th November 2008, 00:24   #13
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Retard, its pretty clear that you have only idea what you're talking about in regards to the big 3. A filing of Chapter 11 doesnt not mean a company closes its doors, but rather a protection from creditors while it reorgs.
Easy there Kosmo,
You can still make your point without resorting to name calling. I like to think that we are a bit above that around here

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I think some of you are blinded too much with BMW love. This is a no contest. CTS-V. Read the reviews.

The one thing I will have to agree with retardude and the bankruptcy issue. Wait a few more months and see what happens. That should help you decide.
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Easy there Kosmo,
You can still make your point without resorting to name calling. I like to think that we are a bit above that around here

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Brian, retardude's username encourages such heckling from kosmo. If he wants respect, he should probably change it. McNasty will likely get similar pokes once in a while.
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Brian, retardude's username encourages such heckling from kosmo. If he wants respect, he should probably change it. McNasty will likely get similar pokes once in a while.
Kinda like Focker in "Meet The Parents"
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retardude,

Hopefully you realize that the new CTS-V and many other recent GM releases were on the drawing board years ago when they were in the black. GM tends to make more profit when they increase production by widening the use of a particular base powerplant like the Corvette V8. This pushrod powerplant may offer a greater profit margin than the 32v Cadillac motor.

You are a real good monday morning quarterback. Do you happen to know the last quarter business results for BMW and Mercedes? Are they making good profit or selling mostly econoboxes? Let me give you a hint...even Toyota lost money and sales drooped almost 50%. Companies struggling in the current climate that involving tight credit and consumer restraint are not necessarily to blame. The powerful auto union & huge number of retirees have a large ball and chain strapped to GM & Ford. Folks who suggest closing company doors have not considered where the funds will come from to feed & provide health care for these people; GM & Ford cover americans that approach millions. This would produce a domino effect that would take out huge industries like steel, electronics etc. If GM fails, Obama will take the money out of your paycheck to feed the millions of families that are affected. This all compels me to buy a GM car. I'd rather pay them for shoddy work than hand them food stamps and other welfare. The solution to our financial woes does not involve reducing production and increasing imports.

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Brian, retardude's username encourages such heckling from kosmo. If he wants respect, he should probably change it. McNasty will likely get similar pokes once in a while.
Ah yes...perhaps I over reacted. I know Kosmo's been around here for a while. After some of the previous threads about name calling and etiquette on the Board, I guess my "barometer" is a bit out of whack.

Sorry to jump down your throat, Kosmo.

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With respect to parts availability under a bankrupsy scenario, I find it easier to obtain aftermarket parts for my 30 year old Ford than OE parts for my E39. You gotta hate BMW parts with reman-only strategy for trannys, diff's and other subassemblies and their silly parts counters that look more like a toy car and hat showcase.
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Lots of good advice, and a lively discussion too! There are a few reasons that I am looking at the car: One of the companies I represent is a former divison of GM (Allison Transmission) and I get the employee discount. I have owned the M5 for a bit over a year now, and there is a post out in the ether about the troubles that I have endured with the 5 (brilliant car, but it is annoying given that its my daily driver). Lastly, and this is the weakest of my three reasons, is that I am originally from Detroit and I feel bad for the city. There are a zillion reasons not to, including the UAW and some blatantly obvious mistakes by management, but I still feel that if we are going to get out of this crisis any time soon, the consumers who can spend need to spend. From all indications GM designed a hell of a sedan and should be rewarded for that, even if its only one car.

On the other side of the coin, GM has managed their company like arrogant idiots for about 40 years. I have dropped a chunk of cash into the 5 and you would expect it to eventually end (haha) and if I didnt buy the car I could keep repairing/upgrading. I agree alot of what has been mentioned, especially about never buying the first year of a car (even though I own a 2000 M5 and a 2001 M3 - so maybe not never) and not buying a new car (which I havent done in 20 years).

Please keep it coming!

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