Go Back   The Unofficial BMW M5 Messageboard (m5board.com) > BMW M5, M5 Touring, M6 and Z8 Forums > E39 M5 and E52 Z8 Discussion

E39 M5 and E52 Z8 Discussion 1998-2003 Advertiser's Forum

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 20th September 2008, 07:51   #1
phillym5
M5 Guru (>2000 posts)
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: grand rapids/chicago
Age: 33

Garage: 01 Area 51 M5 Le mans.

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 7
Thanked 114 Times in 52 Posts
Timing chain, vanos, cam gear...replacement. 6k last year.. did it myself this year.

Yeah.....
I paid over $6k last year to get my timing chain guides replaced. In the last couple months I was getting the (chain slap) sound. I ordered a new tensioner(thats real easy to replace) and took it apart expecting it to be broke. To my disbelief.. it was fine. I thought about the guides being messed up, but thought it was impossible since they were just changed a little over a year ago. Anyway... I took the oil filter out.. and it was caked in aluminum flakes. Next step... dropped the lower oil pan and found a bolt from the oil baffle laying there(with threads on the threads)..a little pin that holds the guide to the block(sheered from the bolt) and a little piece of guide. OMG.

I immediatly started ripping the front of the motor apart. Baggin and taggin all the bolts. We took the first timing case cover off and we saw it. One of the main hex bolts that hold the guide in place was COMPLETELY backed out. It must not have been torqued all the way or something. We poked it with a screw driver.. and a huge chunk of guide broke off. I was devistated. Soooo.. We finished breaking the front of the motor down. All guides but one were completely shot. The other pin bolt was also sheered off but was still stuck in the guide so it never fell out. Not that it would have mattered anyway. The only guide that was good was the one the tensioner pushes on.

So... I am real understanding and usually don't cause drama or whatever. If something isn't fixed to my liking... I will usually finish the job myself. I was planning on buying the parts untill I was cleaning off my vanos.. and I notice a piece of ear from the cam gear broken off inside. When I looked up the price to add it to my list... it was $1k. Too much. So I put all the broken pieces in a box, along with photos of the bolt backed out(you cant get a tool on it where it was at when I took the photo).. and went down to the dealer. I showed the service manager my box of parts... and he was pretty shocked. Without hesitation he offered to pay for the parts. He also asked if I wanted them to do it. Not this time I said. Just let me have the couple "special tools" and if I need instructions.. print them out for me.

So.. here I am putting the car back together. It wasn't that bad. Especially because we had everything bagged and labeled. That is untill it was time to time the car. It took SOOOO many tries. But it never would come out right. We thought we had it.. put the entire car back together... and drove it.. just to get fault... Cam B bank 1 too ******ed.

We had to take it all the way back down to the valve covers. Also take out that Vanos. (These SC'd M5's have WAY more under the plenum so its more time consuming..) Anyway.. We still couldn't figure it out untill.... We realized that in order to check the timing.. you need to position the cams into their intitial position. Witch means.. you need to install the vanos...then set the cams.. then you need to re-pressurize the vanos and pull the cams into position. Its not set the cams... then turn the motor a few times and check. It doesn't work like that. Well.. it still wouldn't line up. But we figured out the vanos splines have to be ALL the way up the the vanos while the car is at top dead and the cams set. Every time we rolled the motor.. you could watch those splines suck in. We had to figure out how to keep the splines in place while setting the cams. Well... anyway.. we got it. Car was finished today. I went back to the dealer to return the special tools... and the techs were REAL impressed.

So as a form of my appreciation for them not offering to come out and help... and also "real" appreciation for the use of tools and print outs...
As I was pulling out of their service area....
I dropped the clutch and did a pretty heavy smokey burn out. Not just the burn out where you hold the rev at 5k... no I would rev through 3500-6500... "Rap.....RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAP....RAP,RAP.....RRRAP. For a good 45 sec or so.
Smoked out the whole shop. 20-30k sq ft. Pretty funny. Then drove off.

Lesson learned........
6k was a rediculous amount of money for this job. For the techs who have done vanos and cams before.... its crazy. Especially on a stock M5. My car has a ton of extra stuff like the blower, blower bracket, all the injectors anf fuel rails, and intercooler under the plenum...ect. If I had to do it again... 4-5hours to rip it down.. then maybe a day to put it back together. No big deal. I feel like a stock M5 would only take 1-2 hours to rip down.

In these photos you can see how well the oil filter actually works. One side full of crap.. the other side barely anything.
Also.. if you look right infront of the screw driver you can see the backed out bolt.(I think caused this whole thing. We lock tight'd(blue) all the guide bolts this time.
Then on the photo where you can see the entire chain... Look closely at the Inlet cams gear. You can see the broken tooth.
Then finally... all buttoned up.
Attached Images
        
phillym5 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to phillym5 For This Useful Post:
ard (20th September 2008), Beetos (27th September 2008), Hawkwind (18th October 2008), intrepid one (18th October 2008), J Irwan (22nd September 2008), Kelster (18th October 2008), Mike S. (21st September 2008), razahyde (22nd September 2008), the-dragonfly (4th January 2009), wilsodh (22nd September 2008)
Old 20th September 2008, 08:39   #2
MarkQC
M5 Guru (>2000 posts)
 
MarkQC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Aachen, Germany

Garage: M5 E39 Carbon Black -silverstone/black interior

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 223
Thanked 240 Times in 152 Posts
WOW..... well, glad she's back together and OK...
MarkQC is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2008, 08:53   #3
Tiauguinho
Senior Member (>500)
 
Tiauguinho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The Netherlands

Garage: 2001 M5 Le Mans Blue

Sales Feedback: (0)

Thanks: 92
Thanked 106 Times in 45 Posts
Congratulations on getting it solved! I would love to have the mechanical skill to do something like this
Tiauguinho is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2008, 08:57   #4
ssittig
Member, Sport: On DSC: On (>100 posts)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Seattle, WA

Garage: 2002 Carbon Black

Sales Feedback: (4)

Thanks: 11
Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts
Send a message via AIM to ssittig
Holy smokes! Nice work!!!! Thats a hell of a project to dive into and complete. Congrats.
__________________
-S

2002 M5 Carbon Black - RIP
2002 VW Eurovan Weekender
1988 Toyota Corolla FX-16 GT-S
ssittig is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2008, 10:07   #5
Envisage0
Member, P500 Sport, MDM on (>800)
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Yorkshire UK

Garage: E39 M5 Avus Blue

Sales Feedback: (0)

Thanks: 175
Thanked 133 Times in 90 Posts
That is very impressive, thanks for sharing....
__________________
**** it, let's do it - Australian proverb
Envisage0 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2008, 11:05   #6
mfizzlenyc
m5board.comoholic (>1000 posts)
 
mfizzlenyc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Socal

Garage: 2000 m5 silverstone

Sales Feedback: (2)

Thanks: 156
Thanked 62 Times in 53 Posts
The pic with your vanos chain is sick


Its good to see owners doing their own work


What kind of symptoms were you getting ? chain slap ? please explain was it at idle also ?
__________________
2000 Silverstone M5 extended Leather

BBS LMs 19s ,StopTech BBK,Dinan Headers Dinan CF -CAI,Dinan light weight flywheel,Dinan stage 3 suspension, Dinan stage 4 software ,Dinan 3.45 Diff,Dinan Mufflers,SS race cats ,SS x pipe,Rogue SSK , Euro Headlights -ibright v3,MRTM Pedal set, updated steering wheel ,16:9 nav ,Active Auto brake ducts

2009 135 Space gray Black Boston Extended Leather
mods- Bmw Performance Black kidney grills,

1988 10th anniversary Rx7 turbo-mods... 93 rotors 3mm seals streetported lapped and balanced 6 puck non organic clutch Turbo back exhaust blah blah blah

1972 Corvette Stingray 454 4 speed man. Show car condition -FOR SALE
mfizzlenyc is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2008, 14:02   #7
MYM05
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Brisbane

Garage: 2001 E39 M5

Sales Feedback: (0)

Thanks: 4
Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts
When the dealer quoted the hours for my timing chain replacement, it ranges from 26 to 33 hours. Compare with what you have done, they probably charged double the time.

PhillyM5, you are probably the only person who had done the timing chain setting in S62. I was told that there is no way that dealer technician can make mistake in doing the timing setting. They said if the timing is wrong, they can not put the parts back together. Is this true in your opinion? If it is not true, would you give me a few examples of the areas that technician can still stuff up if they don't know what they are doing please. As you know, I am in the middle of dispute now.

Nelson
MYM05 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2008, 14:44   #8
Ladykats
Addicted Member (>300 posts)
 
Ladykats's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New Jersey

Garage: M5 Lemans Blue

Sales Feedback: (0)

Thanks: 1
Thanked 52 Times in 30 Posts
Philly,
I am impressed, it wasn't an easy job for you and you did it well. MyM05 don't thing it is a black and white procedure. Not all things fit in one direction only. you have series of gears, cams and crank that all have to be aligned to install correctly. If one is a hair off then it will fit but not be in alignment. if it is off more then valves can be bent, engines can be destroyed.
Ladykats is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2008, 16:56   #9
TMcNasty
m5board.comoholic (>1000 posts)
 
TMcNasty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ewing, NJ

Garage: '03 M5 - LMB/Blk int./Alu. trim

Sales Feedback: (0)

Thanks: 159
Thanked 188 Times in 142 Posts
That dealership owes you a couple free oil changes or SOMETHING!

TMcNasty is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 20th September 2008, 20:15   #10
ard
Moderator
 
ard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Sierra foothills, CA, USA

Garage: 2003 E39 M5, 2004 996TT X50

Sales Feedback: (1)

Thanks: 433
Thanked 559 Times in 385 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillym5 View Post
Y.... Every time we rolled the motor.. you could watch those splines suck in. We had to figure out how to keep the splines in place while setting the cams. Well... anyway.. we got it. ....

So, what WAS the trick??

GREAT POST- Thanks

A
ard is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post! Add this post to your Facebook Profile Add this post to MySpaceStumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Timing chain replacement? JizJizJiz E39 M5 and E52 Z8 Discussion 22 1st February 2008 23:35
BiTurbo timing chain replacement? puppypilgrim ALPINABoard.com | BMW Alpina Discussion 3 13th July 2007 00:41
Timing Chain Replacement Interval x703jko E39 M5 and E52 Z8 Discussion 6 20th November 2004 01:20
Timing chain replacement. JetBoy E28 M5 Discussion 4 12th February 2002 16:28
Timing chain replacement 3.8 l Bruce S E34 M5 Discussion 4 11th October 2001 12:27

eXTReMe Tracker

All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:42.


Everything Copyright 2000-2008. Do not use ANYTHING from this site without written permission. All images, graphics, sound files, video files and text appearing on this web site are the exclusive property of m5board.com and are protected under international copyright laws. All images, graphics, sound files, video files and text on this site are for on-screen and on-site viewing and listening only. No part of this web site may be reproduced, copied, saved, stored, manipulated, or used in any form for personal or commercial purposes without the prior written permission of m5board.com. Use of any image or graphic as the basis for another photographic concept or illustration is a violation of the copyright. Any copyright infringement will be prosecuted to the full extent of federal and international copyright laws. M5board.com is an enthusiast board and we don't condone any dangerous activity. Our airfield events are completely safe based on years of experience, we conduct them during clear visibility with mature participants that have several years of experience with high-performance automobiles, large unobstructed run-off zones on sealed off private former military airbases and we clearly mark the braking zones. If inexperienced with high speed driving we do not recommend organizing your own event but attending a high-performance driving school. The use of the term "BMW" on this site is for reference only, and does not imply any connection between m5board.com and BMW AG or BMW North America.
Page generated in 0.16534 seconds with 12 queries