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          Old 20th December 2001, 19:39   #1 (permalink)
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          Oil Facts And Myths

          I found this interesting article on the Autopia web site concerning changing engine oil:


          Precious metals push spark plugs past the 100,000-mile mark. Tire manufacturers offer lifetime warranties on their radials. Even some transmissions are advertised as filled for life when they come off the assembly line.

          The world is becoming a maintenance free place to drive. Well, almost.

          Increasingly, motorists are asking the question, "How long can I go between oil changes?" In the same breath, they mention extended drain intervals and if it’s all right to go 7,500 miles or more between oil changes.

          Motor oil is getting better all the time, but we’re not to the point where we can safely say that you should go beyond 3,000-mile or three-month oil change intervals if you drive in severe conditions.

          Let me dispel a few myths about motor oil and when to change it.

          Myth 1: I don’t drive in severe conditions, therefore I don’t have to change my oil as often.

          You better be sure. There are a wide variety of severe conditions, such as stop and go driving hauling a load, short trips, extreme hot or cold temperatures and dusty areas.

          Each of these conditions places a different stress on the engine, such as increasing operating temperatures and/or increasing the amount of contaminants the oil has to hold in suspension. These conditions really push the oil to the limit.

          "Normal" driving conditions consist of taking long highway trips with few stops and starts. People in sales who spend a lot of time on the road or highway commuters may qualify. But, if you have any doubts, don’t wait to change your oil. Changing oil is a lot easier than changing an engine, and more economical.

          Myth 2: Synthetics extend drain intervals.

          Synthetics are superior. The superior protection is from the processing required to manufacture the base stocks and the different additive packages they require.

          Despite better performance, synthetics need to be changed at regular intervals. The additives wear out, just like in conventional motor oils, and need to be changed.

          Myth 3: As long as I change the oil filter, I can run longer between oil changes.

          Changing the filter is great, but you’ve got to change the oil along with it, given that the oil'’ additives wear out and contaminants get into the oil itself. The filter can only capture the bigger particles suspended in the oil, not replenish spent additives.

          Myth 4: Over the road trucks sometimes have oil change intervals as high as 15,000 miles. If they can do it, can I?

          No. There are a number of fundamental differences in the lubricating systems on larger trucks, compared with cars.

          First, truck engines can use up to three gallons of motor oil; a car, four and a half quarts. Second, trucks spend most of their time on the country’s highways and away from stoplights; cars start and stop, stop and go a lot more.

          Extending the oil change interval beyond what the manufacturer recommends can seriously shorten the useful life of your engine.

          Don’t push the limits of the motor oil and flirt with damaging your engine, especially when chump change is all it takes for an oil change.

          Dr. Fran Lockwood is the Vice President of Technology and Product Development for the Valvoline Company.

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          Myth #2 is interesting. Although BMW policy has generally changed, suggesting oil changes AT LEAST once a year even if the OB - service indicator doesn't warrant it, IS that really often enough, especially if one usually drives short trips, city stop and go, etc.?

          The longevity of synthetic oil has been brushed upon in previous oil related posts, and some of you do change it more regularly than the OBC indicates at your own expense, but how often is really too often, beyond the law of deminishing return concerning engine life???

          As Dr. Lockwood is employed by a major oil company, might he be slightly biased in his opinion and recommendation???
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          Old 20th December 2001, 20:11   #2 (permalink)
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          If any of you would really like to learn about lubrication and additives, a good place to start is Lubrizol, the world's largest additive manufacturer at

          http://www.lubrizol.com/

          Select the "Knowledge" menu option - the last two subjects are most pertinent. It stops short of an ultimate recommendation because none is possible - the oil stock and additive packages vary so much that you cannot generalize a whole lot.

          Seems like Bart Carter reading material to me
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          Old 20th December 2001, 20:38   #3 (permalink)
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          Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't BMW's service schedule based on time as well as mileage? If you made the car a garage queen and ran only 4k miles in 4 years, would it still have most of the lights lit?

          How do you get all the condensation out of the engine oil if you never drive it for long periods of time? Look at the amount of water that pours out of the exhaust when it's first started each day (at least in humid Florida).
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          Old 20th December 2001, 20:42   #4 (permalink)
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          My searching has helped me form a few opinions. I am not claiming to be an oil expert, but for what its worth, here they are:

          The extended intervals for synthetics are no myth. The additives in synthetics are designed to last longer.

          I guess "normal driving conditions" should really be labeled "easy on the engine driving conditions." But synthetics give other advantages. They don't combine with blowby and water at any where near the rate a conventional oil does. They have superior heat protection, cold flow and lubrication.

          I do know of testing done by Amsoil on a fleet of NYC taxis. They went 60,000 miles between oil changes. I would say taxis do not fall into the normal driving conditions. Of course Amsoil recommends 25,000 miles between changes under "normal" conditions.

          If you really want to know when to change your oil beyond any doubt, an oil analysis lab is the only way. That is the way large fleets determine when to change.

          For all practical purposes I believe you can rely on BMW specified intervals. That is what I will probably do.

          Maybe I will use an analysis lab. I was always curious about what they would say about my oil after 6 or 7,000 miles.
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          Old 20th December 2001, 22:16   #5 (permalink)
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          The president of the USA Oil Change Dealer's Association released this informative bulletin today:

          MORE MYTHS ABOUT OIL

          Myth #1: The 3000-mile oil change interval is okay for "severe service" engines.

          You'd better be sure. Recent research has revealed additional categories of severe service: Extra-Severe Service, Super-Severe Service, and Ultra-Severe Service. If your car is often run less than an hour at a time, you may fall into the Extra-Severe category. If you allow your engine to run for extended periods of 45 minutes or longer, you might be in the Super-Severe category. If the vehicle is operated on road surfaces paved with materials containing minerals, it may qualify as Ultra-Severe. Each of these requires more frequent oil changes.

          These categories are cumulative, so that you can also have Extra-Super-Severe, Extra-Ultra-Severe, Super-Ultra-Severe, and Extra-Super-Ultra-Severe. If your car is in this last category, we recommend you change your oil after each trip, or daily, whichever comes first.


          Myth #2: Oil change requires simply draining the oil and replacing it along with the filter.

          This technique, though still commonly practiced, does not remove the harmful "wear particles" still remaining in the "oil film" clinging to engine parts. Allowing these wear particles to remain in the engine could result in sudden, explosive engine failure, probably when you have your little daughter's soccer team in the car.

          To ensure the best protection, a proper oil change procedure calls for replacing the oil and filter, running the engine for five minutes, then replacing the oil and filter again, repeating this process until the drained oil is free from impurities when examined under a microscope. Depending on the amount of dirt in the engine, this may take up to twenty drain-and-fill cycles to achieve.


          Myth #3: I can change my oil myself.

          Don't try it! Modern engines are highly complex and precise machines, far removed from the mere "motors" of yesteryear. This makes the modern oil change an extremely complicated and challenging task, requiring years of intensive training and specialized equipment that is not within the reach of the so-called "shade tree mechanic."

          In addition, the advanced additives contained in today's motor oils are highly toxic and carcinogenic, requiring extensive decontamination procedures if even a small amount comes in contact with skin. The new "synthetic" motor oils are even more hazardous; the small amounts of radioactive material they contain benefit your engine by helping to break down impurities, but also make them unsafe to touch or smell.

          Qualified oil change technicians have been immunized against these risks, but unskilled individuals attempting to change motor oil are putting their health - and that of their families - in grave jeopardy. To help prevent these tragedies, our association is sponsoring federal legislation requiring all engines to be fitted with locking drain plugs that can only be opened by a duly-qualified association-certified technician.


          We at the USA Oil Change Dealers' Association hope this information helps you have a safe and happy motoring experience! If you'd like to know more, we invite you to visit one of our affiliates in your area; for the nearest location, call 1-877-MOREOIL.

          Sincerely,

          Jack Socket, President
          USA Oil Change Dealers' Association
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          Old 20th December 2001, 23:32   #6 (permalink)
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          LOL!

          You can probably get a job writing press releases for oil companies.
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          The president of the USA Oil Change Dealer's Association released this informative bulletin today:

          ROTFLMAO!

          I was about to say something to the effect "considering the source, I wouldn't put much faith in the recommendations" but dwasifar did it so much better than I ever could!
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          I'll share with you the experience of my uncle, who bought a new Corvair in 1964. Knowing little about cars, he simply added oil when indicated by the dip stick reading. When we asked him when he last changed his oil, he replied, "Am I supposed to?". He had 25,000 miles on the car at the time. (True story).
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          Old 21st December 2001, 04:35   #9 (permalink)
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          In addition, the advanced additives contained in today's motor oils are highly toxic and carcinogenic, requiring extensive decontamination procedures if even a small amount comes in contact with skin. The new "synthetic" motor oils are even more hazardous; the small amounts of radioactive material they contain benefit your engine by helping to break down impurities, but also make them unsafe to touch or smell.

          Qualified oil change technicians have been immunized against these risks, but unskilled individuals attempting to change motor oil are putting their health - and that of their families - in grave jeopardy. To help prevent these tragedies, our association is sponsoring federal legislation requiring all engines to be fitted with locking drain plugs that can only be opened by a duly-qualified association-certified technician.
          It's been nice knowing you guys... when you come to my funeral, PLEASE wear a Hazmat suit
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          Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't BMW's service schedule based on time as well as mileage? If you made the car a garage queen and ran only 4k miles in 4 years, would it still have most of the lights lit?
          Here's what the BMW Web site says about Oil Service:
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          In the event your BMW travels considerably less than 6,200 miles (10,000 km) annually, the oil should still be changed once a year, as it will age despite infrequent usage.
          Here's what the BMW Web site says about Required Oil
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          A required oil for all model year 1999 and later BMW vehicles

          All new BMW engines come from the factory filled with BMW High Performance Synthetic Engine Oil [i.e., 5W-30]. The reason is that those engines are designed to provide longer oil service intervals while still delivering optimum performance, fuel efficiency, and durability.
          And please, let's not start the 10W-60 versus 5W-30 debate all over again.
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