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Old 7th April 2006, 20:50   #1
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Here are some trackday hints for any 'ring newbies!!!

1) Pre-Event checks
a) Make sure the car is in a well maintained condition
b) Check ALL fluid levels
c) Replace the brake fluid if not changed at service specified interval
d) Check the condition/pressure of all your tyres, Make a note of the presures
e) Check your brake pads for condition/thickness, preferably put new fast road/comp pads.
f) Remove any accessories not securely fitted
g) Check the speed rating of your tyres, Make a note of this and never exceed it on track
h) Remove any floor mats from the drivers footwell
i) Remove the spare tyre if you have secure storage
j) Take some basic tools with you, enough to change brake pads at least
k) Take at least one axle stand for when you change the pads
l) Take some rags/swarfega for cleaning your hands etc
m) Fill up with OPTIMAX even on standard spec engine, you wont get more performance, just gives the engine more protection from detination.
n) Take a can of Red Bull, it gives you wings you know!

2) Spares etc to take
a) One set of brake pads at least, front and rear
b) One 5 litre can of oil
c) Some CLEAR protective film to cover your light lenses
d) Some thin soled sports shoe's, aids with brake feel

3) Pre-track checks
a) Recheck your tyre pressures, if one is down you may have a slow puncture which could blow when at high speed
b) Tape up your headlights
c) Ensure you understood the driver briefing, if you are not sure about any aspect, ask for clarification. Ensure you understood the passing rules in particular!


4) First lap on every run
a) Never thrash the car on the first lap, speed up gradually bringing the oil/water temperatures to normal working parameters
b) Gently bring the brake temperatures up to temperature
c) Use this lap to get familiar with your new, rather alien surroundings
d) Try and give yourself space front and rear, dont be tempted to follow the car in front too closely as you will be concentrating on him/her and not learning the track
e) Get used to checking your mirror before and after each corner, you will be amazed how quickly some cars will catch you if you are a track novice.

5) Rest of laps
a) Bring up the speed gradually if you are a novice, you will learn more
b) Learn and enjoy, remember your there for fun
c) If you experience brake fade/boiling dont think it will go away before the next corner, slow down, it is very likely to be worse the next time
d) If you feel a power loss coming out of a tight bend back off, dont keep it planted, you are probably getting the first sign's of fuel surge, if you keep it planted you are risking detonation due to a week mixture. Return to the pits and refuel. This can happen with half a tank of fuel on board, dont get fooled into thinking it cant be happening already, it can.

6) Last lap in
a) Do a slow last lap in
b) Try to avoid using the brakes at all to give the disks/pads some chance to cool down
c) Dont stop looking in your mirror, there might be some idiot still on max attack

7) Entry to pits/stopping
a) Enter the pits slowly, be aware of what's going on around you
b) DO NOT SWITCH OFF YOUR ENGINE
c) Allow the engine to idle for at least 2 minutes.
d) DO NOT PUT THE HANDBRAKE ON OR SIT WITH YOUR FOOT ON THE BRAKE PEDAL
e) The above is to stop the pads from being destroyed by the heat sink effect from your red hot brake disks, stop on a level surface or arange for someone to chock you wheel.
f) Let everything cool before you check the following

8) Post run checks
a) Check the brake pads for wear, you will be amazed how quickly they are used up.
b) Check ALL fluid levels. You may never use oil on the road, you are almost guaranteed to do so on a track day
c) Check your tyre pressures, if one has dropped you may be on the way to a blow out
d) Check the tyres for wear/cuts
e) Check you are still not wearing a silly cheesy grin
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Old 7th April 2006, 21:34   #2
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Here are some trackday hints for any 'ring newbies!!!
Some very resonable hints, but also some not at all suited for touristdriving on the NS.. this is NOT like a trackday!!

A couple comments about your otherwise great tips;

I dont think the marshall's will allow taped over front-lights, remember that
German traffic laws are in effect on the 'Ring..
Lights have to be in working order, tyres must be streetlegal, and you have to
have correct licenseplates both front and rear (dont ask how i know )
Especially remember not to overtake on the right, even when drivers that dont
know this, slow down and keep to the left, to let you pass.. if the circulating
marshall's or the police spot you doing this, you will get fined, and probably
recive a one day ban.

Also take note that there is a speedlimited section at the Breidscheid
entrance.

Helmets are optional.

There is no driver briefing.. this is not racing, it is touristdriving

There is no last "lap-in", you have to exit after each lap (not to worry, 21km is enough).
When you do so, simply drive out through the carpark, and drive slowly to Nürburg and back to cool everything down.. (or to the Ed Tankstelle if you need gas).

And btw.. why would you put octanebooster in Optimax fuel? its 99octane allready, well above our engines safety margins..

Wish you all a fun and safe weekend, wish i could join you guys
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Old 7th April 2006, 22:23   #3
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Here are some trackday hints for any 'ring newbies!!!

1) Pre-Event checks
a) Make sure the car is in a well maintained condition
b) Check ALL fluid levels
c) Replace the brake fluid if not changed at service specified interval
d) Check the condition/pressure of all your tyres, Make a note of the presures
e) Check your brake pads for condition/thickness, preferably put new fast road/comp pads such as Ferrodo DS2000 pads in, front and rear
f) Remove any accessories not securely fitted
g) Check the speed rating of your tyres, Make a note of this and never exceed it on track
h) Remove any floor mats from the drivers footwell
i) Remove the spare tyre if you have secure storage
j) Take some basic tools with you, enough to change brake pads at least
k) Take at least one axle stand for when you change the pads
l) Take some rags/swarfega for cleaning your hands etc
m) Fill up with OPTIMAX even on standard spec engine, you wont get more performance, just gives the engine more protection from detination. If you run on OPTIMAX normally put 1% octain booster in for safety.
n) Take a can of Red Bull, it gives you wings you know!

2) Spares etc to take
a) One set of brake pads at least, front and rear
b) One 5 litre can of oil
c) Some tape to cover your light lenses
d) A helmet
e) Some thin soled sports shoe's, aids with brake feel

3) Pre-track checks
a) Recheck your tyre pressures, if one is down you may have a slow puncture which could blow when at high speed
b) Increase the tyre presures by 4-6PSI higher than you run on the road
c) Tape up your headlights
d) Ensure you understood the driver briefing, if you are not sure about any aspect, ask for clarification. Ensure you understood the passing rules in particular!
e) Drink your can of Red Bull and put on your helmet

4) First lap on every run
a) Never thrash the car on the first lap, speed up gradually bringing the oil/water temperatures to normal working parameters
b) Gently bring the brake temperatures up to temperature
c) Use this lap to get familiar with your new, rather alien surroundings
d) Try and give yourself space front and rear, dont be tempted to follow the car in front too closely as you will be concentrating on him/her and not learning the track
e) Get used to checking your mirror before and after each corner, you will be amazed how quickly some cars will catch you if you are a track novice.

5) Rest of laps
a) Bring up the speed gradually if you are a novice, you will learn more
b) Give it *****, remember your there for fun
c) If you experience brake fade/boiling dont think it will go away before the next corner, slow down, it is very likely to be worse the next time
d) If you feel a power loss coming out of a tight bend back off, dont keep it planted, you are probably getting the first sign's of fuel surge, if you keep it planted you are risking detonation due to a week mixture. Return to the pits and refuel. This can happen with half a tank of fuel on board, dont get fooled into thinking it cant be happening already, it can.

6) Last lap in
a) Do a slow last lap in
b) Try to avoid using the brakes at all to give the disks/pads some chance to cool down
c) Dont stop looking in your mirror, there might be some idiot still on max attack

7) Entry to pits/stopping
a) Enter the pits slowly, look out for kids/speckies, it is easy to not hear you comming
b) DO NOT SWITCH OFF YOUR ENGINE
c) Allow the engine to idle for at least 2 minutes, I usually give it 5 with my 350BHP
d) DO NOT PUT THE HANDBRAKE ON OR SIT WITH YOUR FOOT ON THE BRAKE PEDAL
e) The above is to stop the pads from being destroyed by the heat sink effect from your red hot brake disks, stop on a level surface or arange for someone to chock you wheel.
f) Let everything cool before you check the following

8) Post run checks
a) Check the brake pads for wear, you will be amazed how quickly they are used up. This is especially so if on the donnington GP track and not the national
b) Check ALL fluid levels. You may never use oil on the road, you are almost guaranteed to do so on a track day
c) Check your tyre pressures, if one has dropped you may be on the way to a blow out
d) Check the tyres for wear/cuts
e) Check you are still not wearing a silly cheesy grin

And there was me worrying that my iPod wasn't up to date!!
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Absolutely.. im building an E34 M5 DRT at present..
Im sure there will be plenty opertunities to meet all of you, once you have catched the 'Ring virus at the end of the month..
I am soo looking forward to see your trackcar..And off course yuor others, since you seem to prefer the best E34 color out there...


@ Legacy your hints show a great amount of expertise..Very well put, we all have these things in the back of our minds but tend to forget them in the excitement of the NS!

I am counting the days lads!


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@ Legacy your hints show a great amount of expertise..Very well put.....
Are we reading the same stuff?

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Are we reading the same stuff?
Andy,

are you doing the sat and sunday or going for longer?
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Are we reading the same stuff?
most of it makes sense,right?

Only thing is, like finn says, NS is not a racetrack and this won 't be a trackday, and the whole lap thing won't apply ( though Stevie mentioned some change in this, by use of cones to make exit/stay on lanes?)

Only thing I fail to understand is why the car should surely have oil consumption on the NS when it doesn 't on the road. Persons stating their S38 doesn 't consume oil at all either have their pants on fire or have the oil level being topped up with coolant or fuel!

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Those instructions look like they were originally written for people preparing to do a trackday, and as you and Donati rightly said, that's not the case. Preparation is one thing, going to "Give it *****" is QUITE another.

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Persons stating their S38 doesn 't consume oil at all either have their pants on fire...
HA HA HA! :: :: ::

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Yes, I read Legacy260 post.
Theres some good info in there but as you guys stated, not all is applicable.
One thing I would add.
Don't go putting 4-6 psi extra in the tyres of an E34 M5 for track use.
If you have 3 passesngers then tyre pressure adjustment as per your manual.

The pressures will increase greatly as heat gets into the tyres.

You will find many experienced guys putting lower pressures in on their cars, especially with semi-comp tyres.

Go with std on the Nurburgring.

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