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Old 11th September 2002, 23:04   #1
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Problems to look out for when buying M5's

I am thinking of buying a 1989 M5, has supposedly done 105000 km about 66,000miles, but unfortunately it does not have a service history to verify this.

Could anyone help me please by giving me some tips and guidance on the problems that I should look out for when I inspect and drive the car to make sure I’m not buying something that is going to cost me a lot of money in repairs, or worse, is unsafe.

Thank you for your time and trouble,

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Don't know if you can check a cars history with the police
or an independant company (as you can in the UK)

Here's a list of check points...(which i'm sure everyone will add to!)

1) verify chassis number with paperwork
2) then against body number (on panel below wipers)
3) run test on the instruments (press right hand button,turn on ignition, lights will illuminate,tests will scroll, end of chassis number will appear. (ie GE 000**)

4) Check coolant level from cold & oil too, do the usual engine
checks, start from cold, oil light should extinguish max 2 secs &
unit should quieten down.

5) check for visible smoke, & any undue mechanical noises,
slight tappet noise is normal, too much could mean poor maintenance, be suspicious of too little (try & listen to more than
one car to gain experience)

6) that strange noise on start up is the air pump, it kicks in from
cold and should last 90 seconds max.

7) Drive car, listen for the usual strange noises, gearboxes can
be stiff when cold, but syncros should never balk, shift should
loosen up when hot. A small amount of bearing rattle is acceptable when the box is warm & idling, dip the clutch to get
an idea how loud it is (or isnt !)

8) Clutches are fairly firm on pre '93 cars, but should still be smooth & not stiff, check for slip, a small amount of initial judder
on the 1st start off from cold is acceptable, but a high biting point,
slip or judder on the move indicates wear.

9) Listen to the rest of the drive train for strange noises,
differentials tend to groan on full lock turns, come on & off the gas
and listen for drivetrain clonks which could be expensive.

10) Steering usually has a small amount of play around centre but
should feel precise elsewhere, wandering or "tramlining" is caused by worn from tyres, steering box play, worn front suspension arms, steering rods, or rear axle bushes.

11) Vary braking force, & gently slow down from around 120kmh
any vibration through the wheel indicates disc run out, (if not caused by wheel balancing).

12) M5's are hard on their brakes & shocks so check the struts
especially the rears, as they contain self levellers that can leak.

13) ensure the ABS, trip computer & check control all works,
pull the handbrake up a notch on the move & listen for a "GONG"

14) Run the air conditioning, check it works, don't accept it "just needs a charge", as it probably needs more, has the owner
run the A/C every month ? If the car's advertised with AC but it
doesnt work, get the owner to charge it up (unless you wanna
live without it)

15) OK, so it's genuine, drives ok, feels ok, and everything works.

16) Well, check everything else !!....electrics, windows,roof,mirrors,locking (from both doors & boot) Electric
seats (if fitted) etc etc.

17) bodywork & major fittings are standard 5 series, non standard
M5 items include....
Seat upholstery,
steering wheel,
gear stick (illuminated)
Insturments (bespoke, oil gauge etc)
Front lower bumper (check photos to see the differences)

18) various other items.....

temp gauge should sit at midway & not move,
oil temp should run below halfway on cool days when gently driven...it will eventually reach half way, if you drive hard it may
rise a notch over, but should fall back when you slow down.

Get a feel for the owner, is he an enthusiast ?
Let him drive the car...does he wait till the oil is warm or just cain it to impress you ?

History, history, history.....mileage is nothing without history
and receipts, and paperwork......
A fully stamped up 100k car is worth more that a 60K car with no papers......

Im sure everyone will chip in with more helpful stuff...

Oh....Exhaust, bespoke, check for corrosion !
Emissions..do the cats work (if it has them '89)

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RE:Problems to look out for when buying M5's

Thanks very much for sharing your knowledge with me Alan.

All good advice.

Whats the "Gong" in section 13 about, and how fast should the car be going when the handbrake is pulled on?

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The Gong is the computer (OBC) and probably related to HAL9000 from 2001 in that it only chimes up when things go wrong

The gong is a warning sound that SHOULD happen if you pull the hand brake on when you are moving, or open the boot with the engine on. If it works on these then its probably OK but if not walk away. They are very expensive to repair and quite a few BMW independents want touch them as my pal found out.

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RE:Problems to look out for

Thanks for the OBC info and for the welcome "M5 powered". It's good to be here!



Another question. Where is the "right hand button" that Alan describes in his instrument test, section 3?

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The right hand button is situated inbetween the rev counter and the temperature gauge. Above the illuminated "P" symbol for the handbrake. It looks like a 2nd mileage trip reset button (which is on the left)

You will need to keep it pressed in after you have turned the ignition on. A number of different displays will appear in sequence on the instrument computer.

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Errm, it's not always the end of the world if the
gong chime doesn't work...it's easily replaced and
costs around 40Gbp.

As for applying the handbrake, you only need to
raise it slightly above 5mph for it to activate a warning...
...and a gong sound !

The gong warning also appears along side serveral other
functions including....

Boot/trunk/door open
Lights on,
Handbrake on,
Low washer fluid,
Low oil level,
Low coolant,
Head/tail/brake bulb failiure,
Low oil pressure,
Speed limit,
Low outside temperature,
EDC inactive,
Suspension leveling speed warning,

and CODE warning from the On Board Computer (OBC)


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Barry:
I have also one of the older models ('91), and it also had no servicepapers when i bought it. Only the registration papers was available.
When you have no papers showing if the milage is correct, you can attempt to estimate if it is likely to be true, by looking at the interior wear (steering wheel, gearknob, and especially the seats). You should be able to estimate if the car is likely to have covered 105k km, or maybe instead 305k km.
I also reccomend listening very carefully to the engine, first at idle, then with the hood open, move the throttle by hand and take it to ~3000 rpm. for 5sec. or so. There should be no "bad" sounds at any point.

I bought my car in April this year, and here is what needed repairs/replacement right away:
New tires
New brake discs/pads
One new suspension arm in front (ball joint worn).
Some other little suspension thingie i dont know the name of changed (there was play in the "helping steering arm").
The exhaust rear muffler was rusted.

Later i discovered that the gearbox had a small oilleak.
(thanks to Raymond for helping diagnose what was going on (his car had the same problem at some point)).

The tires and brakes i knew was needing replacement when i bought it, and @ €1100,- total, it was rather cheap to have new brakes and tires.
The Suspension parts and the muffler problem was discovered at a pre-TÜV test, and the suspension parts was changed.
The rear muffler was pretty expencive at €950,- + vat, so i hesitated to change it. We took it off to see how bad it was, and i ended up spending something like 15-20min. welding it back together at the cost of €0,-

I know that the muffler wont hold for too long, but still after 12k km, and half a year its holding up just fine, and should it need more welding next year thats ok, as opposed to feeling ripped of if buying a new one.

The oil leak was on top of the gearbox, and would only show itself if i was driving at rather high rpm for some time (15min+), then when stopping there would be smoke coming out from everywhere (it dripped onto the Cat). I had it fixed at the dealer for aprox €400,-.

If you want to check if the car you are looking at have this leak, wich is fairly normal as i understand it, you will have to take it to the highway and drive at no less than 160km/h for 15-20 minutes, then stop and open the hood to check for smoke. (lots of smoke).

Theese cars is normally far from as expencive to maintain as could be feared (not many parts is likely to break ), and they are plenty powerfull to have much fun driving.

Last i would reccomend you to go look at atleast one other car before you buy this one, if nothing then to have something to compare it to.

Happy hunting.
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Re Problems to look out for when buying m5's

Mark, thanks for the button explaination.

Alan, thanks for the OBC details.

Donati, good to know that even without a service history your M5 was in pretty good shape.Thanks for the tip about the oilbox leak.

Alan, you mention getting the A/C "charged up" (section 14) is this a big deal? A/C is important down here in Portugal.

How do I know if the 1989 version has Cats fitted. Where are they mounted in the exhaust system?

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Catalysts should be fitted on all european spec
M5's,

The comment about charging the A/C was just to be aware
that if it's not blowing cold air, it may require more than just
a re~gas !

As loss of gas is often due to neglect or a shot component...

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