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Old 1st June 2009, 06:13   #1
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Clunk at low speed under breaking

Hi guys. I've started having this clunk noise coming from the front of my M5. It happens mostly at low speeds right before the car comes to a full stop, but it also happens rarely under braking at moderate speeds. There is no shimmy under braking so I don't suspect the thrust arm bushings. They look good and were retorqued after I switched to H&R springs. What could be the cause? A worn control arm bushing? The brake caliper moving under braking? The clunk is more "metallic" sounding, unlike the "thud" clunking I used to get before I replaced my swaybar bushings.
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Old 1st June 2009, 07:38   #2
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I came to post the same thing... Im having the same issue right now. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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I would tip on the bush in the front end of the thrust arm. This is integrated in the thrust arm, so you have to change the whole arm. I would suggest doing the bush in the same go anyway.
could also be brake pads moving in the caliper(correct pads?), if caliper itself moves....whoaaa!(not propable)

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Old 1st June 2009, 19:59   #4
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I agree with you, the caliper moving is improbable. I'll have to put it up on the lift and inspect everything. If I experienced shimmy under braking then it'd be 100% the thrust arm bushing. The fact that the sound is not there all the time is what puzzles me.
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Old 2nd June 2009, 22:49   #5
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It may be worth checking your caliper carriers ......

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It could be brake related

Hi. It's interesting you mention the caliper carrier. Last night I kept driving at low speeds and making full stops to generate the clunk. I think I must have done about 10 full stops. This morning driving to work I didn't get one clunk. What do I need to look for when it comes to the caliper carrier? Thanks for the tip

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I just checked my car out. It turned out to be these bolts were a bit on the loose side. We tightened them up and no more clunk sound.

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thanks for the tip. I'll check out mine as well.

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Well done and thanks for the update .

Those are the bolts that secure the lower control arm .

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I just checked my car out. It turned out to be these bolts were a bit on the loose side. We tightened them up and no more clunk sound.

Check Bolt #13 (17/18mm head) also which is much larger bolt than shown and is almost 3 inches long. It torques to a high figure also. If it just slightly loose and it will give metallic click sound and is clearly present when you drive over a metal angle strip at the bottom of a rolling gate otherwise it may seldom be noticeable. USE locktite on this bolt as there is no Nylock nut on the end of it.

Also when torquing bolts #4 and #9 make sure it is loose (nylock will be snug already) first and put car on ground before torquing. If you torque when wheel is off ground it will twist the bush and strain it when placed on the ground. The best way is from a 4 post chassis lift with car on all four wheels. Do not tighten it from a 2 post body lift when the wheels hang down unsupported. Remember when it is on the ground its very difficult to tighten as few of us can get under the vehicle and exert enough strength (when lying down on your back) to torque it properly. Or you can drop weight of front of vehicle onto a couple of stacked wheel tire combos on each side so there is enough crawl space to get underneath to tighten. Bentley barely mentions this but it ain't so easy or so obvious.

Also Bolt #9 is problematic in that there isn't enough room to get a box wrench on one end because the bolt head is too close to the body. Ideally 2 opposed box end wrenches(or socket and then a torque wrench on the nut end) should be used to torque it but it wont go over the bolt head so you must use the open end of the wrench which will slip off due to to high a torque figure and round the nut/or head. Nor is there enough space to get a socket over the bolt head end only a open end wrench. Even if you can turn the bolt around the same issue presents itself ...so I found that you might lower the tube(#1) enough to get a box end wrench over the head of the bolt then lower the car and then tighten it (#9) then raise car and let tube drop enough to get wrench off, all a little squirrelly, then retighten tube. Okay if its a customer car and you don't care about rounded off nuts and bolt heads or torque figures but not on my vehicle not when I know I'll be there again eventually and torque figures matter to me especially on suspension parts (once a rear wheel passed me when I pulled to a stop at a signal light because I neglected to properly torque it .....never again). I found you can get it fairly tight when its on the ground then reraise it on a 2 post lift and torque it then since you've pinched the bush snug enough that it won't rotate when you lift it in the air. A little hard to explain but its very obvious if you've been there.

Its all because of item #1 (one) is present. Can someone please tell me what it is called? My reference (Bentley) doesn't even show it nor does the dealers but it exists on the 540i and the M5 but I'm not sure it exists on the other E34's. Where does the above pictorial reference come from? Bentley shows the lower control arm attaching to 2 tabs directly on the chassis and not the additional tube(#1) for regular E34s.
Note the drawing of item #1 is not symmettrical and incomplete on the right side as shown and does not tell the full story.
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