interesting that all the issues discussed are mechanical related. Metal problems are a probable issue that may see many of these fabulous machines ending up in the scrap heap long before the mechnical items have given up. I also own an E9 CSl bat which are rust buckets. The mechanics can always be sorted one way or another but rust issues are time consuming and therefore an expensive nightmare. Galvanised body's the E34 M5 may have but once the galvanising is breached a heafty cheque book is required!
To be honest, its the average customer's fault that not many bodyshops get to carry out great work
Most people have no idea how good metal work must be conducted. It can involve just as much rocket science as rebuilding an S85 believe it or not.
Like all things in cars, it all has to do with the inevitable "Triangle of Elements" as I like to call it.
Cheap and Good - Not fast Fast and Good - Not cheap Fast and Cheap - Not good
I have been held back so many times by owners wanting metal work . Some people just think its about chopping out some metal and hammering some sheet into place and bake that back with a 10 year old Mig welder.
Last edited by Sebring NL; 11th July 2007 at 01:14.
I have been held back so many times by owners wanting metal work . Some people just think its about chopping out some metal and hammering some sheet into place and bake that back with a 10 year old Mig welder.
Don't be silly
When I worked at RR Crewe (before BMW & VW), they never used Mig welders - they just used a hammer and a roller. The finish seemed quite good as well
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To be honest, its the average customer's fault that not many bodyshops get to carry out great work
Most people have no idea how good metal work must be conducted. It can involve just as much rocket science as rebuilding an S85 believe it or not.
Like all things in cars, it all has to do with the inevitable "Triangle of Elements" as I like to call it.
Cheap and Good - Not fast Fast and Good - Not cheap Fast and Cheap - Not good
I have been held back so many times by owners wanting metal work . Some people just think its about chopping out some metal and hammering some sheet into place and bake that back with a 10 year old Mig welder.
Is this a case of Ignorant perception verses reality? or maybe that if we all had limitless funds we would do it the right way - I wonder and if the numbers come up I'll let you know!
Its purely a case of the real craftsmen not being allowed to do their real craft.
This leaves room for people that are better left in their mother's wombs and nowhere near a bodyshop.
Didn't mean to say you need unlimited fund for anything I just thought to understand that you were wondered by the fact that many cars got scrapped over bodywork.
I'll tell you it has more to do with damage repair than with the initial work done by BMW.
And, said it before, will say it again: IMO the UK residing cars are more prone to rust.
Last edited by Sebring NL; 11th July 2007 at 01:44.
And, said it before, will say it again: IMO the UK residing cars are more prone to rust.
Hi Wout
I know you've said this before & it does intrigue me.
I think we have discussed but never bottomed the discussion out.
In your view, what factors exist here in winter that differ from the other countries like
NL, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Northern France etc
( countries that do not have permanent snow requiring snow chains usage)
Is this specific to E34 or UK vehicles generally ?
Thats the whole thing. We live just as near to the same sea.
ITs just that when I look at UK cars, many of them have "bubbling" paint on for instance the arches. ( with all due respect, nepbor's car shows this in the picture thread very clearly)
I don't know if it has to do with respray techniques or climate, but overhere, if there is rust on an E34, it looks different ( some brown edges, but no thumb-big, very rounded off blisters)
I am not knocking UK cars as you very well know, but it just caught my eye. I have seen/owned my share of E34's.
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