3M Swirl remover and P21s..on Black

[NobleM400]

Ugh, makes me wish I went with black.

BTW, S100 is available at your local Harley dealership. It's P21S relabeled minus $15.

[JamesInLV]

Originally Posted by NobleM400

Ugh, makes me wish I went with black.

BTW, S100 is available at your local Harley dealership. It's P21S relabeled minus $15.

Sweet. Might have to stop by the local Harley store to pick some up. Currently using Zaino...like it a lot but curious what P21S would look like on my IB car.

[bmw1986]

So are saying that Zaino isnt good?

[Realtycar]

Originally Posted by bmw1986

So are saying that Zaino isnt good?

Zaino is about as good as Meguiers....just saying P21s is better when used with 3M Finishing Glaze....it's not even a question...

[JamesInLV]

Originally Posted by bmw1986

So are saying that Zaino isnt good?

No no no...I love the Zaino products. Very easy to apply and I love the results. I always keep the lookout for other products and have an open mind that there may be something better. Realtycar may very well have the best combo to use for SB, and I may pick up the two main products to try on my IB car too.

[ptruong]

Realtycar:
What's the part number on the white foam pad you use wth the swirl mark remover?
Can you recommend a good duster for in between days?

[Realtycar]

California Duster

White pad - 05723
Gray pad - 05725

The white pad is a compound pad only to be used with rubbing compound.

The gray pad is for the swirl remover. Swirl remover....is gray...as is the pad to be used. The rubbing compound is white as is the white pad to be used.

[bonehead]

What are you using to apply the 'hand' products (glaze and wax)?

[bmw1986]

I was just curious. Do you need to do that process on a brand new car that hasnt even been waxed yet? What kind of buffer do you recommend. The wax I currently use is Liquid Luster.

[NobleM400]

Originally Posted by bmw1986

So are saying that Zaino isnt good?

No, that's not quite it.

Every product has strengths and weaknesses. What you want to use depends on what your preferences are, how you plan to use it, and what kind of paint you have.

Here are the results of the famous "Wax Test" done by Guru Reports. It's the single most comprehensive test I've ever seen. This is also one of the very very few "apples to apples" tests out there. Many tests simply do not use equal "prep" which practically everyone agrees is the single most important thing.

All the products were bought off the shelf or online where they could find them. There was no advertising or sponsorship from any of the manufacturers, they purchased everything with their own money. Each product was compared in the exact same conditions daily for a 6 week period.

The products were eval'ed on:

price
amount of water beads using 500ml of water
bead size
shine
gloss
depth
clarity
reflectivity
slickness
color enhancement
overall impression, and
given a final grade in GPA format.
Edit: durability was also measured for each product and showed results after each week of environmentaly abuse (all at the same time) and after washing.

Dizzy yet? Good.

Road grime was not a factor in the tests unfortuantely, thats in the round two tests being conducted/prepared.

The grading was done in an A+ to F- fashion to form a GPA, and the results are below. This is not a bible, but its a very good indication real world how they perform against one another and how far your dollar really stretches.

**************

1. Zaino Brother's Polish - second best looking and most durable of
all of the products. One of the only products to survive a week
long snow storm. Still provided protection after 7 months in the
elements. Most superior product and in the top 3 for ''looks'' too.

2. P21S Concours-look Carnuba - first best looking, then Zaino's
durability takes over after 3 weeks
3. Klasse All-in-One and Sealant Glaze
4. Armor All Protective Barrier
5. Pinnacle Souveran - third best looking, smells like
cocanut/banana and downright edible, Zaino's durability takes over
after 3 weeks
6. Pinnacle Paste Glaz Carnuba
7. Rain Dance Premium - name doesn't imply best protection, go for
Zaino
8. Mother's California Gold Carnuba Cleaner - availability is
awesome
9. Collinite Marque D'Elegance
10. Mother's California Gold Pure Carnuba
11. Blackfire
12. Collinite Super Doublecoat - good for at lesat 3 months of
protection, even through ''touch'' drive through car washes several
times a month, on par with a synthetic for protection
13. Blitz One Grand
14. Turtle Wax Finish 2001
15. Eagle One Wet Polish and Wax
16. Griot's Garage Carnuba Paste Wax
17. Nu Finish
18. Meguiar's Gold Class
19. Turtle Wax Emerald Series
20. Prestone Bullet Eax
21. Griot's Garage Best of Show
22. Meguiar's Medallion
23. Turtle Eax Super Hard Shell
24. 3M Perfect-IT Show Car Paste
25. Meguiar's #26 Hi-Tech
26. Meguiar's #16 Paste Wax
27. Turtle Eax Extreme Cleaner Wax
28. Eagle One Pure Carnuba
29. Zymol Carbon Carnuba
30. Finish First World Class Auto Polish
31. Liquid Glass Ultimate Auto Polish
32. Kit Carnuba Paste
33. Meguiar's #19 Professional Cleaner/Wax
34. Formula 113
35. Zymol SUV Zurtle Natural Liquid
36. Zymol Titanium Carnuba
37. Malm's Carnuba
38. Wizards Shine Master
39. Race Glaze
40. Zymol Concours Carnuba
41. The Wax Shop Super Glaze Liquid
42. Gliptone Original Carnuba Paste
43. Rally Cream Wax
44. Gliptone Platnium Series Paste
45. Meguiar's Quik Wax - not a polish, used to take off dust and
small particles during show or protect from rubber/track residue or
chain/bike grease
46. Lemon Pledge - not a polish, used to take off dust and small
particles during show

Here's another less formal test, but with also very good controls (be sure to read pages 4-5):

http://www.deckowski.com/wax%20off/greatwaxoffintro.htm

The results are pretty similar. The dust test under "durability" is very interesting though.