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US Spec Black on Black E28 M5

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#1 ·
After 6 years of ownership, it's time to pass along my wonderful E28 M5 to the next caretaker.

1988 BMW M5
 

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Are you selling it on consignment or are you a dealer posting the link?
 
#6 ·
Ok, I was confused by the sixth line of the auction, which says:

"After eighteen months of hard work, our E28 M5 is finally done."

I haven't had great interactions with the seller.
 
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To be frank, you kind of torpedoed his Bring a Trailer M540i auction from your first post all the way through the close, and then did the same with the euro 3.8L auction a week later!

Baust said:
@AcherryM5 Sorry, but this paint reading stuff has been brought up twice in a row with E34s and at the 11th hour. It never even gets discussed in other BAT auctions, time after time with no worries. Either trust the seller or don’t, but don’t bring that crapp up on the very last day of the auction and make demands.


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Now "the seller" is completely honest with his transactions, often sinking tons of money into good cars to make them great (this one included, and stating in the M540i BAT auction that he lost money on the M540i). He is a total BMW enthusiast not just a used car salesman, he is also an active BMWCCA member including being a driving school instructor, Roundel contributor, is always willing to help those in our community. On more than one occasion he has put his neck out for me when he didn't need to, and I'm not alone in this treatment. He is also incredibly funny and unless one is a complete dolt, he will have you in stitches just minutes after meeting. His stories are those of legend and I've been encouraging him to write a book of short stories for a while now.

I've seen you on this forum for years and never saw you as malicious, but as a bystander watching both auctions (I've put my butt cheeks in the M540i and formerly owned an E34 M5 3.8L that I sold for far too cheap thus the interest), I thought your comments were intended to keep the prices low and affordable. May I ask that you go re-read all of the comments in the M540i auction, look at all the people who saw the car in person who noted it's exceptional state of care (the car smelled new, it is incredible) and reassess YOUR interaction with the seller! 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Enough of that, I love my M5 and the next owner surely will as well!
DSC_6861 by ericandshovin, on Flickr
 
#8 ·
I just re-read the posts as requested. I first noted that the car was previously for sale on M5Board and then took exception to him describing the M540i as "arguably more of an M5 than the actual US-spec M5 that was discontinued in 1993." I only mentioned paint depth numbers AFTER the auction had closed, I did not request anything from him at the last hour. And when I did mention those numbers, it was merely saying that I thought they may have helped the car sell for a higher amount, because I was surprised it didn't go for more. It made sense to bid $x amount for a car that may have been repainted and/or had panels replaced, not $x + $10k or whatever amount the auction had increased to without knowing.

Either way, I don't think the eBay for sale description is accurate if he doesn't own the car - but I do get why a car dealer attempting to sell a car on consignment would want potential buyers to think he is the owner.

Feel free to PM me if you disagree. Otherwise, good luck with the sale and I hope you get the amount you are looking for and more!
 
#10 ·
I noticed your car is now on BringAtrailer. Best of luck with the auction.

I am the seller of the 14k mile e34 m5 that was on there a couple of months ago. Acherrym3 did the exact same thing during my auction except he went even further making baseless claims that my car had been in a severe accident. He started that the night before the auction ended and continued to make those claims even after it was over.

I would still like to meet him in person over that incident. It was a b**** move.

Again, best of luck with your auction. Beautiful car that has obviously had a lot of time, effort, love, and money put into it.
 
#12 ·
The car looks outstanding and probably should have skipped eBay and gone straight to BAT. Black on Black and an extra engine.




E92e36mfree - that's a lie, which is easily verified by reading through the comments (or you can provide the quote that doesn't exist):

14K-Mile 1993 BMW M5 | Bring a Trailer

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e34-m5-discussion/552521-93-f-s-14-500-miles-bat.html

I had a 39k bid in and wanted two photos, and as noted: I asked for a picture of the only corner of the the car that wasn’t photographed – where the VIN sticker on that door should have been and what you provided was not that (a door jamb photo was provided). Also asked for the behind the license plate photo where another larger VIN sticker should be and nothing.

I'm sorry your CARMAX flip didn't work out as well as you had hoped - but you did extremely well for a car with a replaced door and displaced VIN stickers.
 
#11 ·
My experience of seller and car was great

So I happened to be in Denver for work and was able to arrange a visit to GS on very short notice late last Friday. They were very accommodating when they could have already started their weekend.

I came away quite impressed. If you see the types and quality of vehicles they have on hand, you know these guys are dyed in the wool enthusiasts who like to drive and compete. Someone else arrived at the same time as I did to attend to the 850. It was already in incredible condition, but they're moving it that much closer to perfection. They had road cars as well as an E30 track car and the owner's M Coupe. They deal with lots of out of state buyers and handle out of state registrations all the time. In my mind, these guys are a legit, boutique operation.

As for the E28, it's a phenomenal vehicle and accurately described in my opinion. You can not not like this car. If my situation were different, it wouldn't still be for sale/auction but rather sitting in my driveway.

Just my .02
 
#13 ·
*sigh* why did this car have to end up on BaT.. the commenters there are a bit too full of themselves and just do a lot of virtual tire kicking and knit-picking of trivial things.

GLWS, if it were a year or two ago, and a few thousand miles closer, I'd be driving it right now.
 
#14 ·
OP: Congratulations on the sale of your car. I had to stay far away from the "bid now" button as I was very tempted. It is easily one of the nicest e28s I have seen.

However, I have to go back to this argument one last time just so all of the facts can be out there rather than being called a liar.

This was his comment on the final night of the auction. "I find it odd that one of the previous owners probably replaced the entire rear driver’s side door, rather than just the door skin. I’m worried that it was replaced as a result of a previous run in with a tree – rather than a nasty door ding."

He did not ask for any additional pictures at that time but waited until 5 hours before the auction ended to start requesting pictures. In addition to the license plate, he requested pictures of the corner of the door: the area where he was making baseless claims about an accident. Once again, 5 hours before the end of the auction. I was at work....45 minutes away from home so I was unable to get home to take additional pictures. I had to bribe my secretary to drive out to my house and take pictures that ended up being submitted 30 minutes prior to the auction ending. I was amazed she was able to take clear pictures at all based off of my description alone but was not about to ask her to start messing with the license plate....especially so late in the game. I will admit that she misinterpreted the area that you wanted a picture of. I will argue however that the pictures provided did much more to prove that the car had not been in an accident. A picture of the area where the VIN tag should have been wouldn't have done anything....because there wasn't a vin tag there....everyone already knew this.

My point is, you had an entire week to ask those questions. An entire week to contact me for any pictures you wanted. An entire week to get the car inspected by whatever shop you wanted with an offer by me to drive it anywhere in this massive city to the shop of your choosing. Instead, you decided to wait until you knew nothing could be done in an attempt to keep the auction within your affordability range. It was a dick move. One that you have done consistently. I would expect better from a fellow enthusiast.

I did not purchase the car with the intention of selling so soon. I purchased it because it was a 14k mile e34 m5....no brainer. I sold it because it was a 14k mile e34 m5. What I mean by that is that every time I drove it I felt guilty about putting miles on it. It got to the point where I was mentally adding up the mileage to and from car shows before I would decide if I wanted to go or not. I prefer to drive my cars and this one was too nice for doing that as often as I wanted. If I decide to get another e34 (prefer the e28) then it will be a well maintained higher mileage car. Regarding the selling price: Can't complain there....my reserve was substantially lower...tens of thousands of dollars lower. I was not expecting $68k and never would have guessed it would have went for that high.

For the record: If you had won the auction (even at $68k), I would not have sold it to you. I don't do business with unethical people and do not need the money. Certainly not yours.

Once again, you have a history of coming in at the last minute with controversial statements in an attempt to derail the auction. I am clearly not the only person to think that.

I don't think you know as much as you think you do either. You asked a question about if bmw puts a "dot-r" stamp in the metal. A replacement panel will have an orangish "dot-r" sticker that is very similar in size to the vin sticker. It stands out....on purpose. Google it. I would also encourage you to remove your own license plate on your e34 and tell me what you see behind it. I'm curious as to what you will find. I know the answer but would like to hear it from you.

Either way- there was plenty of time for you to have a ppi done on my car. I had/have nothing to hide.
 
#15 · (Edited)
E92e36mfree - what's not lost in the verbal diarrhea above is that you did lie and only provided a single quote that contradicts your earlier statement.

In addition, you stated something along the lines of the VIN sticker may have been "painted over" either in the comments thread or for sale advertisement, which is something you could easily tell in person and possibly with a picture. I don't think you honestly believed it was "painted over." I had no idea you were 45 minutes away when I requested the picture. Nor did I know you didn't have the skills needed to communicate what photos were requested (or apparently review them electronically).

As far as the orange DOT-R sticker, I have no idea what they put on replacement doors back then, which is why I asked that question in the thread. I do know they stamped DOT-R in the metal on certain other replacement panels, which I have seen in person.

I'm glad I did not continue to bid on your flip. You're a joke (besides a proven liar) for even making the "affordability range" comments above as though you have a clue. We'll see you on here the next time you want to advertise selling your CARMAX special elsewhere (e.g., BAT), rather than to board members through the forum.
 
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#16 ·
I do not own a M5. I own a e28 eta. But I stumbled on pictures of this car via google. And absolutely love the wheels. I have 17inch style 32 on my e28 but want to switch to 16 inch and these wheels are perfect for my taste... but I have no clue which BBS these are... Can anyone tell me what BBS wheels these are?
This is the reason I registered here, sorry if that is a problem.
 
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