E60 M5 vs E55...help a NEWBIE out!

[monaco1]

Hey all- help a newbie out...so a business partner of mine has an 03 E55 amg with 40,000miles on the clock...and no matter what i do I can't beat him! Do the M5's get faster after the 1200 miles or do I just suck? I feel like I'm a pretty competent driver...it is a new car and I'm getting used to shifting...I had my cts v shifts dialed in perfect and could easily chirp the tires into 3rd...and felt very confident racing cars but I need help with the M5.. Everytime I race the E55 no matter what gear we start in he pulls at least a full car length and I can't gain on him. the best I did was a rolling start from 20mph me starting in first I jumped on him until my shift then he pulled on me a car length then I stayed with him but I just can't seem to get it right. We even raced up to 135 once and still no love! I see all these videos of the bmw pulling away from the E55's but I can't seem to figure it out.

Here are my M settings P500s, S6, DCS off, sport suspension...

Here are my questions:
Is it possible his car isn't stock? He just bought it used
Should I shift with paddles or gear shifter (or does it matter)
When should I shift? At redline... at 8000?
what speed rolling start is the best to race an E55?
Do the M5's get quicker after the 1200 mile mark?
What should I expect? Is this normal? Cause on google video all you see is the M pulling on E55's (except the drag strip video... that E55 is nuts)

Any advice would be great...Still love the car though...

[RYAN17]

Wait. Your using S6, P500s, and full throttle and you haven't even broken it in yet? Your engine definitley does like you. Your car should "feel" faster after the 1200 mile break-in, but that's because people are able to use the car more to it's potential and haven't experienced that 500v10 for 1200 miles until after the break-in. But sounds to me like your rippin on it already. I know if you break it in properly and you race him off the line with the settings you are using he will have a slight lead most likely up until around 60-70. Just take it easy and tell him to wait after you reach the break in period. And before your engine explodes.

[RYAN17]

does *not* like you i meant.

[rodman31]

Are you racing him and you haven't had your 1200 mile service yet???

I refuse to comment further for fear of sounding like a jerk.


Robert

[monaco1]

I'm having a hard time with the break in stuff...A local BMW Tech said the break in period Is "guidlines" He said if it was his car he would be in Full mode right off the lot. He said they have seen more problems with people who babied them then railed on them.. I spend most the time in break in except when I'm challenged... who to listen to? What to do? I paid 95 for it and will probably get a stick next year so I figured why not....by the way I have almost 1000 miles now...so I find it hard to believe that taking it easy for another 200 miles means life or death for my motor.

[Zapper]

um... breath... ... don't get angry... oh can't help it..

please don't race people under break in. Your car does not have the proper oil to be run to redline and the driveline is still breaking in. Yes the car gets faster as you put miles on it... but if you abuse it under break-in your car might never get to reach its potential.

Now please go write... "I'm sorry I abused you, oh beautiful M5" 100 times.

I hope this is a joke... if not

PS I love these damn smilies... I wish we had the ones that give people the finger, I'm always looking for that one.

PPS: Your friend the tech is a douche. He should have known the cars don't have the right oil, and you can void your warranty if you don't follow the "guidelines". In case you didn't know the car's computer logs your infractions under breakin so BMW can use it against you at a later date.

[rodman31]

I must say I don't understand how some tech at the dealership would know more about the engine and break in procedures than the people that built the darn thing????

Robert

See I told myself I wouldn't and I did, oh well.

[Scott in Houston]

Originally Posted by Zapper

PS I love these damn smilies... I wish we had the ones that give people the finger, I'm always looking for that one.

and




I would give all of these to the idiot tech.

[spatterso]

I promise I won't breech the break-in rules!!! You're putting the fear into me!!

[rodman31]

Scott,
Thats twice you have nearly made me piss my pants laughing!!! Those smiles are great!!!!!

The first time, the infamous,"I hate p500,blah, blah....".


Robert

[max pellegrini]

I agree with you.This break in period is fantasy. I fallowed the guideline with the exception of couple of times and my car at this point with 3,100 miles doesn't feel any different. You should drive the car the way you see fit, after all, you did pay the money for it. Have fun and keep driving it hard.

Originally Posted by monaco1

I'm having a hard time with the break in stuff...A local BMW Tech said the break in period Is "guidlines" He said if it was his car he would be in Full mode right off the lot. He said they have seen more problems with people who babied them then railed on them.. I spend most the time in break in except when I'm challenged... who to listen to? What to do? I paid 95 for it and will probably get a stick next year so I figured why not....by the way I have almost 1000 miles now...so I find it hard to believe that taking it easy for another 200 miles means life or death for my motor.

[TireBurn]

Max,

I think this has been mentioned previously on the board and someone with concrete knowledge please confirm, but I was under the impression that the oil that comes from the factory is a different viscosity and chemical composition than all subsequent oil changes. Basically the initial oil was intented to seat the engine properly but not ideal for "high reving antics".

I bhttp://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/misc.php?do=getsmilies&editorid=vB_Editor_001elieve that this is at least partially confirmed in the oil filling memo from BMW. ( S85 V10 oil level service bulletin ) which states:

At the1200 mile running-in inspection, the CBS reset must only be performed using the GT1/DISplus. This ensures that the DME changes the oil level calculation algorithm used for the break-in oil to that needed for the Castrol TWS Motorsport SAE 10W-60 Synthetic Oil

This definitely implies, in my book, that there is a substancial enough difference in how the oils respond within the engine to warrant a seperate oil level algorithm. I for one could EASILY see how an organic oil driven at high-rpms could foam and cause some serious lubrication issues at a time (breakin) when lubrication is at a premium. Second, have always understood that during the initial breakin of an engine, there is some degree of metal that is removed from the cylinder walls (honing) and from the metals parts just initially meshing to begin with, that gets deposited in the oil. For a tech ( ) to tell anyone that the break-in rules are more of a guideline is foolish and for someone to assume that if to stretch that guideline from 5500 under 1200 miles to only redlining a couple times prior to 1200miles or pushing full throttle up to 5500rpms, is a serious mistake in judgement.

I would strongly suspect that BMW's motives are strongly slanted towards preventing short term engine problems and hence warranty issues, but let me ask you, if the theory that BMW's breakin policy is self serving, wouldn't it also be in the best interest of the owner to also not have the same headaches that BMW is tryiing to prevent from a warranty / cost standpoint?

I for one, (which should be leasing my car next week ) plan on breaking in the car properly, eventhough I intend to turn in the car at the end of the lease.

I have a friend that is leasing a M5 and has dogged it from the start. It's his car and he is entirely in his right to do what he wants with it, as is anyone else on this board. But I can not see stating that the breakin period is BS especially when all evidence points to it being important. Do a search for the problems with the e46 M3's that were not broken in properly (Bearing problems galore).

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I have to wholeheartedly disagree.

And to the tech that stated that the breakin is a guideline...