BMW 535d

[MisterM]

It will be available here in Holland in September (first cars are delivered then the dealer says) but I haven't seen any test in Auto Motor und Sport for instance with some exact numbers on acceleration etc.

Anyone knows something more about this?

[António Duarte]

Well, that is probably the first diesel that is motoring interesting... eheheh.
Well, I am very picky and don't really like diesels. But this one, it's 272bhp@4400rpm and 560Nm@2000 with 530@1500. This is the same engine as the 530d, same displacement (3.0) but has twin-turbos. One small turbo and a big turbo. They are interconnected and the mixing of the flow is electronic i think. From the numbers I'm hearing this thing could approach a M3 E36 3.0l in aceleration (remeber, this is a 5 so it's quite good).
Now, I know saying this is going to cause lots of "M3 is lighter and has more power so should be quicker". As I've seen in the "interesting comparison" post, "we" (as enigma or somebody else said) have been through this a million, zillion times. I posted some links there with some very usefull information.
For those of you who know what an integer is, if you calculate the area below the M3 power curve and then do the same for the 535d you can start to see why the 535d is almost as quick. I just remebered that somebody who can do integers most likelly already figured out all this, but even the same. It took me a lot of time before I came to this... even after studying it for college courses :P but i never said I was very smart...

Well, best mortoring for all

[from this line below this post is just fiction... but i like to pretend while i can't afford it]

My cars:
M5 E34 6spd sedan and touring
M5 E60 (already delivered, the advantages of living in a pretend world )

[digger]

Originally Posted by António Duarte

Well, that is probably the first diesel that is motoring interesting... eheheh.
Well, I am very picky and don't really like diesels. But this one, it's 272bhp@4400rpm and 560Nm@2000 with 530@1500. This is the same engine as the 530d, same displacement (3.0) but has twin-turbos. One small turbo and a big turbo. They are interconnected and the mixing of the flow is electronic i think. From the numbers I'm hearing this thing could approach a M3 E36 3.0l in aceleration (remeber, this is a 5 so it's quite good).
Now, I know saying this is going to cause lots of "M3 is lighter and has more power so should be quicker". As I've seen in the "interesting comparison" post, "we" (as enigma or somebody else said) have been through this a million, zillion times. I posted some links there with some very usefull information.
For those of you who know what an integer is, if you calculate the area below the M3 power curve and then do the same for the 535d you can start to see why the 535d is almost as quick. I just remebered that somebody who can do integers most likelly already figured out all this, but even the same. It took me a lot of time before I came to this... even after studying it for college courses :P but i never said I was very smart...

Well, best mortoring for all

[from this line below this post is just fiction... but i like to pretend while i can't afford it]

My cars:
M5 E34 6spd sedan and touring
M5 E60 (already delivered, the advantages of living in a pretend world )

I hope they put it into a 3 series!

Without getting into the whole torque vs hp thing. The torque is at the bottom end not the mid to top end like the m3. It will perform with different charactersitics to an M car. When you rev out or race an M car you drive it in its good spots ( rpm band) but do the same in a TTD and you are aren't utilising the low down torque as you would in say everyday driving where the 535d would come into its own and be better than an M. It will perform very well just in a different way than a M. The TD aren't meant to be revved like an M's so won't perform as well with this syle of driving.

[digger]

Originally Posted by António Duarte

For those of you who know what an integer is, if you calculate the area below the M3 power curve and then do the same for the 535d you can start to see why the 535d is almost as quick. I just remebered that somebody who can do integers most likelly already figured out all this, but even the same. It took me a lot of time before I came to this... even after studying it for college courses :P but i never said I was very smart...

I think you meant integral but i know what your on about anyway. This would be evident in a low speed rolling race in a high gear the TD will probably be better until the M reaches the upper rev range. Can't say i've taken much interest in diesel cars until recently to know what sort of gearing they'd have which would be a factor to consider. I'd be interested to know what the torque and power curve of one of these BMW TD looks like too.

[klier]

Originally Posted by digger

I hope they put it into a 3 series!

The engine has been comfirmed to come to the E90 as well

[Nimbus]

My cars:
M5 E34 6spd sedan and touring
M5 E60 (already delivered, the advantages of living in a pretend world )

Have you already taken delivery of an E60 M5 ?!?!

[António Duarte]

Well, now, you didn't read carefully... i said that part of the post was fake.

About that integral, you are correct, i shouldn't be posting at 5.00am.
I meant, accelerating from rest trought the gears. The torque matters a lot, especially in lower gears because it's when the rpms drop more when you change gear.
This site www.e31.net had a very good article on that.
I don't believe thwy'll put this engine in a 3 series... but if that's true, then it will be the fastest 3 series this side of an M3. The 330i will have the new 258bhp and 300Nm@2500rpms but it won't even thouch the diesel. Of course the diesel will be even more expensive that the 330d and 530d (and i'm guessing a lot more) and heavier than the petrols, but really, you can't even say it's a high torque/low power engine as diesels usually are. Of course, behaviour of a diesel will mostly suck all the time (eheheh, i hate tractors - diesel engine, RWD = tractor for any real car enthusiast who is not afraid to pay the fuel bill -, but still BMW makes the best of them) but hopefully this will suck a bit less for those of us who can't afford 16l/100Km fuel consumptions.

And, btw, i know there are a lot of UK and US owners and/or board members, but i got a suggestion. Let's start using metric units everywhere.

I hope I cleared everything up, especially that e60 M5 delivery stuff

[Bramos]

spec's 535d

sedan 6.5 sec to 100 km
touring 6.6 sec to 100 km

[Artur Costa]

Mais um portuga por estes lados... e inda por cima do norte carago


Well the 535d engine is only 14kg heavier than the 530d... the problem is that the only option is auto box because they dont sell it manual due to the high torque... so if they could lower the torque for the E90 and put a manual in it would be perfect

Then we would have a M3d

I can imagine a ECU modification on a engine like that... if a 330cd is able to make 300bhp with the right re programation this thing will make more than 350bhp

Cheers

[Adam]

The 535d sounds like an incredible machine, could you imagine that engine in the e90!

all the best
adam

[António Duarte]

Hello Costa, nice to see another Portuguese here. Lucky that you already got to drive an M5.

The diesel engine mates well with an auto in my opinion. TDs these days have LOTS of torque down low and that's the only thing needed for an autobox. It will handle the torque better than a manual, actually.

About the car, it's really nice to get so much oomph out of a diesel burner but it's not good for car lovers! Diesels are coming close to petrol engines and they use less fuel (they make a lot more noise as a compensation), but i still really don't like them. About the reprogramming, I really don't bother for over-using the turbo's capability and actually it won't be so easy to mess with the TT arrangement than reprogram injection & variable geometry turbos like a "normal" turbo diesel, these days. Anyway, you can tune a turbo car (diesel or petrol) to whatever power you want, just close the wastegate . It depends on how much heat the engine can take and how much you want it to last.
And by the way, do you know that not only the engine is powerfull in your car, the cooling system has arround the same power as the engine :P

Btw, Costa, an M3 diesel is sacrilege so please never repeat that with me arround... I might find out where you live... :P
I hope, really hope (just another day I betted against a friend) that M will never make a diesel version of whatever car. That day I'll stop being a BMW M fan.

To finish, the car i think will really be up to par with this new engine is the X5. Finally, a 4wd that goes like stink and has a usefull range, not like every other V8 gas with 10mpg and 200miles of range :P. And the autobox can be very usefull on an offroader, with these modern controls for hill climbing and descent and ... whatever they care to program...

[Artur Costa]

Originally Posted by António Duarte

Hello Costa, nice to see another Portuguese here. Lucky that you already got to drive an M5.

The diesel engine mates well with an auto in my opinion. TDs these days have LOTS of torque down low and that's the only thing needed for an autobox. It will handle the torque better than a manual, actually.

About the car, it's really nice to get so much oomph out of a diesel burner but it's not good for car lovers! Diesels are coming close to petrol engines and they use less fuel (they make a lot more noise as a compensation), but i still really don't like them. About the reprogramming, I really don't bother for over-using the turbo's capability and actually it won't be so easy to mess with the TT arrangement than reprogram injection & variable geometry turbos like a "normal" turbo diesel, these days. Anyway, you can tune a turbo car (diesel or petrol) to whatever power you want, just close the wastegate . It depends on how much heat the engine can take and how much you want it to last.
And by the way, do you know that not only the engine is powerfull in your car, the cooling system has arround the same power as the engine :P

Btw, Costa, an M3 diesel is sacrilege so please never repeat that with me arround... I might find out where you live... :P
I hope, really hope (just another day I betted against a friend) that M will never make a diesel version of whatever car. That day I'll stop being a BMW M fan.

To finish, the car i think will really be up to par with this new engine is the X5. Finally, a 4wd that goes like stink and has a usefull range, not like every other V8 gas with 10mpg and 200miles of range :P. And the autobox can be very usefull on an offroader, with these modern controls for hill climbing and descent and ... whatever they care to program...

Well , the 330cd is close to the M3 (not that close)!

I sayd some time ago here on this forum that I would hate the E60 M5 if a manual was not avaible... but here I am loving it every inch of it