Alpinablau color codes?

jn · Dec 5, 2006

I have Alpina B12 5.0 (-90) which needs some repaint. The color of the car is Alpina blau. Does anyone know the color code for this Alpina color? I have found one Alpina blau from 1994 BMW color chart, but i'm not sure if it's the same color.

kees · Dec 6, 2006

If you contact Alpina with the chassis number of your car they should be able to help you. The exact paint mixture for the Alpina-specific colors is well guarded by Alpina.

m5 killer · Dec 6, 2006

kees said:
If you contact Alpina with the chassis number of your car they should be able to help you. The exact paint mixture for the Alpina-specific colors is well guarded by Alpina.

how are they guarded kees, as far as i know all alpina colours can be mixed by a proffesional body shop as they have colour schemes and what and how much mixture to use this i have seen for myself

kees · Dec 6, 2006

m5 killer said:
how are they guarded kees, as far as i know all alpina colours can be mixed by a proffesional body shop as they have colour schemes and what and how much mixture to use this i have seen for myself

You can determine the colors to mix by analyzing the paint on the car. That's typically how it's done to match the faded paint on cars once they are more than a few years old. However mixing up touch-up paint by 3rd parties - which is supported by regular car manufacturers is not done by Alpina. You must go through Alpina for this.

One of the ways Alpina guards their colors is that it is not allowed to order a regular BMW in Alpinablue or Alpinagreen at BMW Individual.

Chas C · Dec 7, 2006

kees said:
One of the ways Alpina guards their colors is that it is not allowed to order a regular BMW in Alpinablue or Alpinagreen at BMW Individual.

Which is why my E32 is a bit special :blink:

m5 killer · Dec 7, 2006

kees said:
You can determine the colors to mix by analyzing the paint on the car. That's typically how it's done to match the faded paint on cars once they are more than a few years old. However mixing up touch-up paint by 3rd parties - which is supported by regular car manufacturers is not done by Alpina. You must go through Alpina for this.

One of the ways Alpina guards their colors is that it is not allowed to order a regular BMW in Alpinablue or Alpinagreen at BMW Individual.

i understand what you are saying but the paint codes come from bmw charts also mix charts from the people like standox who do the original paint for bmw, the chart what i saw has all the alpina paint codes and how to get the right mixture, so if alpina are guarding it then something is wrong because bmw and standox have a full listing

Sebring NL · Dec 7, 2006

Roj, Kees

I can get the Alpina paint mixture codes in a heartbeat. Nothing special.

m5 killer · Dec 7, 2006

Sebring NL said:
Roj, Kees

I can get the Alpina paint mixture codes in a heartbeat. Nothing special.

thats what i was trying to say, what i wanted to know was why kees thinks they are guarded as the codes are freely available, theres no one that i know that buys paint from alpina even in germany everyone mixes their own, thanks sebring

Sebring NL · Dec 7, 2006

I don't want to say Kees doesn't know his stuff, but perhaps some miscommunication is going on.

Although I never understand the whole mystery atmosphere about exotic paint.. Stories of VW Golf owners sending pictures of their car over to Ferrari in order to get the paint codes from them ...Yeah right..Visit me tomorrow and DRINK all the litres of Rosso or Chiaro I can get you in 5 minutes!

kees · Dec 7, 2006

Did Standox reverse-engineer the BMW and Alpina paints or do they supply the factory?

kees · Dec 7, 2006

m5 killer said:
i understand what you are saying

Maybe you can explain it better what I am trying to say?

m5 killer · Dec 7, 2006

kees said:
Did Standox reverse-engineer the BMW and Alpina paints or do they supply the factory?

as far as im aware bmw uses paint from standox and has done for years

Sebring NL · Dec 7, 2006

kees said:
Did Standox reverse-engineer the BMW and Alpina paints or do they supply the factory?

From what I know, nobody ever gets paint from factories?

That would mean having Buchloe send 8 to 15 different jars with a formula?

Its not even possible for anybody to keep paint codes secret these days, its a Monti violation!

apbails · Dec 7, 2006

Sebring NL said:
Roj, Kees

I can get the Alpina paint mixture codes in a heartbeat. Nothing special.

I'd like to see what you come up with. Standox sent me two formulas. Though, I'm having trouble downloading them into a message for the board.

Sebring NL · Dec 7, 2006

What do the formulas look like?

Sebring NL · Dec 7, 2006

<TABLE class=affiche cellSpacing=2 width=600 border=2 CELPADDING="50"><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center align=middle bgColor=#000000 rowSpan=3>ALPINA

LLL

</TD><TD bgColor=#cee3ff><TABLE class=affiche width="100%" bgColor=#cee3ff border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left width="35%" bgColor=#cee3ff BORDER="0"></TD><TD class=affiche align=left bgColor=#cee3ff colSpan=2 BORDER="0">ALPINA GRUEN MET</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche bgColor=#cee3ff>FQ94-6307</TD><TD class=affiche bgColor=#cee3ff></TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="30%" bgColor=#cee3ff>1997 - 1997</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche vAlign=center align=left width="35%" bgColor=#cee3ff BORDER="0">T1 </TD><TD class=affiche align=left width="45%" BORDER="0">03/12/2001 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=affiche rowSpan=3><FORM name=F_MOD_T1_S1>
</FORM>

</TD><SCRIPT language=javascript>function calculV_CP1_S1(){ var i; indice=document.F_MOD_T1_S1.coef.value; for (i=1;i<=10;i++) { eval("document.F_MOD_T1_S1.V"+i+".checked=0");} for (i=1;i<=3;i++) { eval("document.F_MOD_T1_S1.H"+i+".checked=0");} valeur=CP[indice-1]; calcul_T1_S1(valeur);}function calculV_T1_S1(){ var i; var horiz=0,vert=0; var valeur; var indice=document.F_MOD_T1_S1.coef.value; if (!document.F_MOD_T1_S1.COMPLETE.checked) { for (i=1;i<=10;i++) { if (eval("document.F_MOD_T1_S1.V"+i+".checked")) vert++;} for (i=1;i<=3;i++) { if (eval("document.F_MOD_T1_S1.H"+i+".checked")) horiz++;} if (vert+horiz==13) { document.F_MOD_T1_S1.COMPLETE.checked=1;calculV_CP1_S1();} else { valeur=(V[indice-1]*vert)+H[indice-1]*horiz; calcul_T1_S1(valeur); } } else {calculV_CP1_S1();}}</SCRIPT></TR><TR><TR><TD><TABLE class=affiche border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=affiche width="15%"><TABLE class=affiche border=0 valign="top"><TBODY><TR><TD class=affiche vAlign=top align=middle><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD></TD><TD>

</TD></TR><TR><TD><IMG alt="->" src="http://appl1.rmpaint.com/gif/fleche.gif"></TD><TD>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche align=right BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=affiche><TABLE class=affiche border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=affiche align=middle>

</TD><TD class=affiche align=middle border="1"><FORM name=F_T1_calc_1_1 onsubmit="javascript<b"></B>:calcul_T1_1_1();return(false);><INPUT class=affiche size=8 value=1.000 name=mt> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC020 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC020","87.2");</SCRIPT>87.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC105 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC105","117.3");</SCRIPT>117.3</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC140 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC140","162.4");</SCRIPT>162.4</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC170 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC170","227.0");</SCRIPT>227.0</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC250 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC250","303.9");</SCRIPT>303.9</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC621 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC621","391.5");</SCRIPT>391.5</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC510 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC510","481.2");</SCRIPT>481.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC201 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC201","621.7");</SCRIPT>621.7</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC500 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC500","880.2");</SCRIPT>880.2</TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche width="20%" border="1">BC101 </TD><TD class=affiche align=right width="16%" border="1"><SCRIPT>met_ns("T1_calc_1_1_BC101","925.3");</SCRIPT>925.3</TD></TR></FORM></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=affiche vAlign=bottom BORDER="0"><SCRIPT>function calcul_T1_1_1(){var nom=["BC020","BC105","BC140","BC170","BC250","BC621","BC510","BC201","BC500","BC101"]var coef=[87.2,117.3,162.4,227.0,303.9,391.5,481.2,621.7,880.2,925.3]var coef_d=[87.2,30.1,45.1,64.6,76.9,87.6,89.7,140.5,258.5,45.0999999999999]var nb_ing=11var i=0,toto,valu,coefficient,valu1,index for (i=0;i<20;i++) {EL="";Q="";} i=0;Vol=document.F_T1_calc_1_1.mt.value; if (document.F_MOD_T1_S1.t_coef.options.selectedIndex!=1) { coefficient="coef";} else {coefficient="coef_d";} if (document.F_T1_calc_1_1.mt.value < 0.15) { affiche_message();} while (i<=(nb_ing-2)) { document.F_T1_calc_1_1.mt.value=Math.round(document.F_T1_calc_1_1.mt.value*100)/100; valu=Math.round((eval(coefficient+"")*document.F_T1_calc_1_1.mt.value)*10)/10; valu1 = " "+valu; index = valu1.indexOf("."); if (index < 0) { valu1 = valu1 + ".0";} EL=nom;Q=valu1; if (net!=1) { toto="document.all.T1_calc_1_1_"+nom; with (eval(toto)) {innerHTML=""+valu1+"";} } else { toto="document.F_T1_calc_1_1.T1_calc_1_1_"+nom; eval(toto+".value="+valu1)} i++; }}</SCRIPT>AT0621

</TD><TD align=right></TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Need to look into another database for the Alpina Blau, as I can only access that from the office

Sebring NL · Dec 7, 2006

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=4><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=396 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=datatext></TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>code :</TD><TD class=datatext>567</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>color :</TD><TD class=datatext>BLAU ALPINA-MET.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>from-to :</TD><TD class=datatext>-2005</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>panel :</TD><TD class=datatext>19855</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>paint system :</TD><TD class=datatext>Standohyd Basecoat</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>formula date :</TD><TD class=datatext>11.03.97</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>amount :</TD><TD class=datatext>1.0 litres</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=4> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=heading width="18%">

Tint code

</TD><TD class=heading width="47%">

Tint name

</TD><TD class=heading width="18%">

Mass (g)

</TD><TD class=heading width="17%">

Cumul. (g)

</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=4 height=4></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB376</TD><TD>BRILLANTROT</TD><TD>

173.5

</TD><TD>

173.5

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB390</TD><TD>SILBER</TD><TD>

412.8

</TD><TD>

586.3

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB357</TD><TD>OZEANBLAU</TD><TD>

122.0

</TD><TD>

708.3

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB372</TD><TD>SPEZIALSCHWARZ</TD><TD>

162.7

</TD><TD>

871.0

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB367</TD><TD>OXIDROT</TD><TD>

59.8

</TD><TD>

930.8

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB388</TD><TD>AZURBLAU</TD><TD>

95.7

</TD><TD>

1026.5

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

</TD></TR><TR><TD>

WARNING IRRITANT -XI- NECESSARY
S-0080-1
D97 0 .16.05

</TD></TR><TR><TD>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Sebring NL · Dec 7, 2006

Not sure if its the right one, as I didnt get any production time specifications.

If it differs a lot from the one you've got, let me know. I've got a few Alpina Blau's to choose from, but need to check on what the exact differences are, as they can be caused by anything over the years, especially since we're all spraying cars with color coded tea these days..

Wout

apbails · Dec 7, 2006

Sebring NL said:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="95%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=4><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=396 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=datatext></TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>code :</TD><TD class=datatext>567</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>color :</TD><TD class=datatext>BLAU ALPINA-MET.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>from-to :</TD><TD class=datatext>-2005</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>panel :</TD><TD class=datatext>19855</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>paint system :</TD><TD class=datatext>Standohyd Basecoat</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>formula date :</TD><TD class=datatext>11.03.97</TD></TR><TR><TD class=datalable vAlign=top noWrap>amount :</TD><TD class=datatext>1.0 litres</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=4></TD></TR><TR><TD class=heading width="18%">
Tint code

</TD><TD class=heading width="47%">
Tint name

</TD><TD class=heading width="18%">
Mass (g)

</TD><TD class=heading width="17%">
Cumul. (g)

</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=4 height=4></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB376</TD><TD>BRILLANTROT</TD><TD>
173.5

</TD><TD>
173.5

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB390</TD><TD>SILBER</TD><TD>
412.8

</TD><TD>
586.3

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB357</TD><TD>OZEANBLAU</TD><TD>
122.0

</TD><TD>
708.3

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB372</TD><TD>SPEZIALSCHWARZ</TD><TD>
162.7

</TD><TD>
871.0

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB367</TD><TD>OXIDROT</TD><TD>
59.8

</TD><TD>
930.8

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>WB388</TD><TD>AZURBLAU</TD><TD>
95.7

</TD><TD>
1026.5

</TD></TR><TR class=line><TD colSpan=4 height=1></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

</TD></TR><TR><TD>

WARNING IRRITANT -XI- NECESSARY

S-0080-1

D97 0 .16.05

</TD></TR><TR><TD>

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Thanks for the link! The color of my '90 B10 BT is "Dunkelsaphirblau" Alpina Nr. 07 59 016. Looking into the Standox site, it seems "Alpina Blue" may not have come along until 1994. The formulas are similar. I'm sticking with the Dunkelsaphirblau, should be the correct color for the car.

m5 killer · Dec 8, 2006

apbails said:
Thanks for the link! The color of my '90 B10 BT is "Dunkelsaphirblau" Alpina Nr. 07 59 016. Looking into the Standox site, it seems "Alpina Blue" may not have come along until 1994. The formulas are similar. I'm sticking with the Dunkelsaphirblau, should be the correct color for the car.

it came before 1994 and there ar two different shades, one is early one and one at a later date

Jud · Feb 13, 2007

AlpinaBlau Metallic Codes

Alpina Blue came in different flavors from BMW, depending on the production timeframe.

For the Alpina B12 5.0/5.7 coupe, Alpina used the following blues from BMW for their vehicles:

BLAU METALLIC (FE 86-5489)
ALPINA BLAU METALLIC II (FQ 95-3965) - 5.7 only
MAURITIUSBLAU METALLIC (287)
NACHTBLAU METALLIC (FE 68-51AX)

There are other shades of purple and blue, but for this discussion, it's "blue" that matters here.

Because "AlpinaBlau" was used from different BMW colors, it's important to know which color Alpina ordered from the BMW factory for the Alpina vehicle and/or if Alpina repainted the car.

As M5 Killer correctly points out, there were different shades of AlpinaBlau.

Cheers,

Jud

Danish · Feb 13, 2007

Hey Jud,

Welcome to the Board! I think most 8 Series owners have heard of you. I hope your search for a B12 5.7 Coupe will be succesful.

jn · Mar 7, 2007

Wow, so much discussion while I've been away. I got the Alpina part numbers for the paint from Alpina, but it doesn't help much.
1 kg tin (part number: 07 59 023)
ALPINA-blue-touch up stick (part number: 07 59 019)
So these are for -90 B12 5.0 (E32).

KawaBmw7 · Mar 11, 2007

Here is the new Alpina blue II color:

category : Passenger car
car maker : BMW
code : A46
color : BLAU II ALPINA-MET.
from-to : 2007-2007
panel : 785365
paint system : 295 Permacron Perlmutt Vorlack
formula date : 01.02.07
amount : 1.0 litres

Tintcode Tint name Mass (g) Cumul. (g)

MB570 PERLFEINWEISS 171.0

MB552 BLAULASUR 355.8

MB518 FEINSILBER 105.8

MB529 LASURBRILLANTROT 136.4

MB553 LASURAZURBLAU 67.0

MB502 SCHWARZ 100.4

MB506 OXIDROT 10.4

MB501 WEISS 1.8

jn · Mar 30, 2007

I finally got the color code from BMW:
BASF FE 5489
Now there seems to be at least two variants:
FE95-5489 and FE97-5489

So how can I know which is the right one? And how are these BASF/Glasurit codes mapped to e.g. Standox system?

kees · Mar 30, 2007

jn said:
So how can I know which is the right one? And how are these BASF/Glasurit codes mapped to e.g. Standox system?
[/SIZE][/FONT]

The switch to Alpinablau Metallic II took place around the mid-90's, so your E32 B12 5.0 should be Alpinablau Metallic.

Danish · Mar 30, 2007

It almost looks like the year code is embedded into the paint code: FEyy-5489 where yy is the year from where it is valid?

kees · Mar 30, 2007

That's what I was thinking as well. I know that mid-1980's there seemed to be color shift. The early Saphireblau Metallic color on the E12's had a much more pale-grey hue than the Alpinablau Metallic color on the E28's. And there was definitely a shift to an even more blue hue on the E39's.

Just building on that - are we looking at the following?

1979-1985 Saphireblau Metallic BASF colorcode ??
1986-1994 Blau Metallic (also known as Dunkelsaphireblau Metallic?) BASF colorcode FE 86-5489
1995-1997 Alpinablau Metallic II BASF colorcode FE 95-5489 (is this also FQ 95-3965

)
1997-> Alpinablau Metallic III(?) BASF colorcode FE 97-5489

Alpinablau color codes?

Attachments

Our Vendors

Top Contributors this Month

Recommended Communities