I am taking the opportunity to have the metal gaskets from the X5 fitted per previous advice from the forum, the Alpina oem parts are composite part no 1112633 & 634.
However, the X5 gaskets are just that and they do not extend to include the timing covers that the original parts cover. My mechanic thought he had solved the problem with BMW and had ordered parts numbered 1114 1742 168 & 171 however he has just taken delivery of these parts and they do not match up the bolt holes etc. The problem I have is I cannot locate a BMW parts listing with the parts listed and illustrated.
The other problem we have is that whilst the parts ordered have arrived in correct boxes the gaskets themselves are carrying the following numbers 169 & 172? So again without sight of an illustrated parts list it is nigh on impossible to see where the answer lies.
Please, if anyone has done this change to the Alpina V8 from the B8 or B10 1997 year engines, please advise part numbers used.
Again, if anybody has a parts listing with the exploded views, could they point me in the right direction to view it or please e.mail me privately etc.
Regards
Paul
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I'll send you contact information of Günter Manhart by PM. Günter knows everything about the gasket job and can help you for sure. Peter (AlpinaB846) is probably still on vacation and will not read here for a couple of days.
If you there is a language problem, I'm sure somebody here can help you out.
However, the X5 gaskets are just that and they do not extend to include the timing covers that the original parts cover. My mechanic thought he had solved the problem with BMW and had ordered parts numbered 1114 1742 168 & 171 however he has just taken delivery of these parts and they do not match up the bolt holes etc. The problem I have is I cannot locate a BMW parts listing with the parts listed and illustrated.
After searching the BMW parts catalogue, it looks like the parts 1114 1742 168 & 171 are for the timing case covers for a E39 540i M62 (up to 9/98 no-VANOS). Why do you need to change the timing case covers? I think. the gaskets would be all you need to replace.
I think that you need the parts for the E34 540i with M60 engine, because the B8 has a M60 (not M62) engine. I know everywhere is stated that the B8 has a M62 engine (Alpinachronik, lots of websites), but that is wrong information. The B8 has a M60 engine with Bosch M3.3 ECU as the E34 540i.
you probably mean "gasket set chain case" E34 540i M60:
11 14 1 433 305 / 306
I'll send you screenshots from the parts catalogue by e-mail.
Thanks for your pm, before I call Gunther I will see if you know the answers to a couple more questions first.
Having read on here that the Alpina composite gaskets have been known to go between 150 - 200km I thought I would take the precautionary measure of changing mine at 100km, for the metal gakets from the X5 4.6.
These are I believe an M62 engine and do carry same oil chanels and bolt holes etc. The problem is that they do not extend to include the timing covers, whereas the Alpina oem parts do. Another point is that the metal gaskets are before fitting approx 1mm thicker than the Alpina parts!
That said my mechanic whilst speaking with the local BMW dealer thought that he had found a solution in the part numbers quoted, as the timing cover gaskets for the X5 4.6 will definately not fit my 97 engine, these apparently have a rubber seal that makes them too large, plus they do not match the bolt locations.
The timing cover gaskets were ordered and arrived in the correctly labelled boxes, but the parts themselves are carrying different numbers namely; 111 417 42 169 and 172. So at the moment I am unsure if BMW have delivered the wrong parts in the correct labelled boxes or if they have updated the parts and the numbered ones delivered are improved versions of the original order numbers???
Mill, if my recollection is correct you have not had this done yet, but maybe Peter? If so he must have encountered this same issue, I am now wondering if the X5 gasket etc is the right way to go?
I have the Alpina Teilekatalog for the B8 but am wondering if the B10 models may have had different gaskets that would work.
Incidentally, after only the 100km my car has covered the left hand bank head gasket was blowing between 2 pistons!
, hopefully you find out what parts you really need. additional to the information, that Manhart can give to you, you may also contact Mr. Axel Rimpler from the Alpina Service Department in Buchloe.
Please also note that there are 2 different types of X5 4.6is head gaskets. One version is +0.3 mm thicker (part number ...405/409). Maybe you have the thicker version. I guess, that version is for countries that are known to have inferior gas quality and are better off with slightly lowered compression.
Many thanks this is exactly what I was hoping for I can see from the illustration of the X5 4.6 head gasket that it (at least on the screen shot) is looking very similar to the one from the B8 parts catalogue.
This would appear to be the problem, the head gaskets I have been supplied as X5 4.6 normal and not the thicker versions, do not carry the extension that covers the timing cover section, but only the four pots!!
I am now going to get in touch with BMW to find out what exactly they have provided me with??
I have just tried Manharts and nobody can speak english and I cannot speak german so I am stuck for the time being.
My mechanic has confirmed that the wrapping from the head gaskets confirms the correct part numbers the only problem is that the gaskets do not have the timing cover extension to them. I have called BMW who agree that the screen shot you supplied is different to the parts that have been delivered and the X5 4.6 timing cover page also does not illstrate a gasket to seal the timing cover at the base of the cover, which you would expect if BMW had changed the configuration of the head gasket!!
Myself, my mechanic and the local BMW dealer are baffled! They are however, trying to get a chassis number to run some parts checks on!
I just called up Günter Manhart and he told me the following:
take E34 540i headgaskets and cut them in a way, that the part at the timing chain, which is not covered by the X5 4.6is gasket, can be sealed with the E34 540i gaskets.
You are a star, many thanks for this.
What i will do is check with BMW for how much the 540i gaskets are and also the mechanic for how much his guy who can make custom gaskets will charge for the necessary extra timing cover section would be. It may be that, similar to the sway bars, he would need a minimum order of 10.
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