Alecci

How much would a E12 Alpina B7 Turbo -80 be worth in serviceable and mint condition respectively? Prices please in EUR or USD.

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Alecci
'97 BMW Alpina B10 V8 #121
'99 Nissan Skyline R34 GTR - sold Sept 2009

raymondw

Prices can range from 5k to 15k Euro upwards, based on condition and history.

The lower priced cars generally need lot's of attention while for the higher priced cars you can expect either a very well kept car in pristine condition or a proffesionally restored car. Most cars are sitting around the 10k Euro price range though.

The E12 B7S is more expensive. The best examples bring up to 20k Euro's, but in average around 15k to 17k Euro.

Rgds,

Raymond

Alecci

Many thanks for your reply.

The car I have in mind is not a B7S Turbo by production, but modified to the B7S specifications by Alpina in 1988 or 1989. Is this a positive or negative thing? It's still original Alpina, if not original B7 Turbo. I think you know what I mean...

At the present the car is in "good" serviceable condition. I intend to let a proffesional restore it, and at the same time make some upgrades to the engine. I will make no modifications, however, that will not allow the car to be restored to its original specifications in all regards except for the B7/B7S specifications.

raymondw

I seriousliy doubt that claim as the B7 and B7S are rather different. Both share the M30 engine, but the B7 is only three litres and the B7S is 3.5 litres (3453cc M90 engine).

It could be done, but bear in mind that in 1989, the early B7's where already 11 years old which made it rather senseless to spend that kind of money then.

Most E12 B7's where used as daily drivers and the majority ended up on the scrapheap, unlike the B7S that always was a collectors car. During the years, more E12 B7S's have survived then the regular E12 B7. The latter car is only regarded as a classic collectible since a few years.

Rgrds,

Raymond

kees

I noticed you are located in Sweden...I know of several E12 cars there that have been modified to B7 specification...but are not registered as a B7. Naturally these cars are worth much less than a true B7.

Look forward to seeing some more details and pictures of the car you are talking about...

Alecci

Again I thank for any replies.

Perhaps one or both of you misunderstood me. The car is an Alpina B7 Turbo, production year 1980 and production number 156. History briefly as follows:

First owner was a German baron, who later sold the car to his sister. The baron's sister then sold it on to her husband (i.e. the baron's brother in law). That chap managed to produce an engine malfunction, and put the car up for sale. The reknown Alpina-importer here in Sweden, Sten Jarl at Jarls Bilservice in Helsingborg, the imported the car to Sweden and restored the engine completely. Shortly thereafter my father bought it as a company car. After taking a liking to the car, he bought the car from the company, that is to say, it passed from the company's possesion into his personal dito. During a visit with the car to Buchlohe, my father had Alpina convert it from an Alpina B7 Turbo to an Alpina B7S Turbo. I later bought the car from my father, but had to sell it to a collector because of studies. I'm now thinking of buying the car back.

So you see... The car is an Alpina B7 Turbo by origin, but since it was converted to B7S specifications its no longer, technically at least, an original B7 Turbo. Neither is it an original B7S since it was converted to those specifications later.

As for some off-topic information, the emissions regulations didn't permit this car in Sweden during that time, so the car was falsely registered as a BMW 525 -75. But I can assure you that it is in every aspect a true Alpina!

I hope this clear things up and allow you to answer my question.

Many thanks in advance.

raymondw

Then you have an emotional argument to buy the car back and if the seller still knows you, he will try to profit from that. If the car is for sale on the open market, I suggest someone else to buy it for you unless you are willing to pay the premium.

At least, you know about the cars history which is worth quitte a lot.

I looked at an E12 B7 turbo from 1980 that was completely restored for approx. DM40k that was for sale somewhere near Osnabruck. The car was in like new condition and had been rebuild from scratchusing all new parts. The asking price was DM28k, which was a very good deal for the car that was offered.

Rgrds,

Raymond

kees

A car with that background would probably have a limited collector value outside of Sweden. In Sweden people might be able to accept the non-Alpina registration.

I have recently seen a nice E12 B7 with good history on real Alpina registration for around 9k EUR and a professionally restored E12 B7 is about 15k EUR, so I would estimate 6-7k EUR being a fair price - especially considering your history with the car.

kees

Alecci,

Whatever happened with this? Did you end up buying back your father's B7?

/Kees

Alecci

No, I did not buy the car back since I was offered a job I couldn't resist, and so had to start a new probation period, which in the end means I can get no loans in the near future. Therefore I cannot get the money needed to buy the car, not to speak of restore it.